tl;dr — 1) Facebook genuinely care about security and privacy, you may this is bonkers, but they do. 2) PGP is cool, and FB recognise this. 3) Enabling PGP encryption for email enables an end-to-end-secure (strictly: server-to-eyeballs-secure) means of communication. (cont…)
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Replying to @AlecMuffett @Pinboard
Alec, you’ve made some excellent contributions to these conversations, but that “FB genuinely cares about privacy” without any acknowledgement of the surveillance capitalism at the centre of FB’s business model is disingenuous at best.
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Replying to @Daniel__Harvey @Pinboard
There's plenty of that shit out there, and people love to fling it into the discussion to "balance" it, so why should I bother? From my experience, I am the only person ever pushing against imbalance in the other direction.
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Replying to @AlecMuffett @Pinboard
Ok, thanks for responding. I hear your POV. I see somewhat differently around privacy discussion though, as I see privacy (or lack thereof) as central and fundamental to FB’s business model.
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Replying to @Daniel__Harvey @Pinboard
When you've read a book about threat modeling and can come back to that topic with a set of actors and a "privacy from which/whom, to what extent, against what actors?" - architecture, let me know and we can have a discussion.
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Replying to @AlecMuffett @Pinboard
Ouch Alec. That seems harsh and not conducive to discussion. Insist that anyone wanting to engage has to prove their credentials? Am I missing something?
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Replying to @Daniel__Harvey @Pinboard
As above, I'm not in this for the discussion, and I'm not a nice person especially when when watching idiot cryptographers trying to take potshots at reasonable usability tradeoffs to score points.
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Then you trot in with your perspective. Fine. But as far as I can see you are just "sealioning" - Google it if you're not familiar.
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I've already spent too many hours combating newspapers like The Guardian regarding usability trade-offs in security, and I feel aggrieved that I should have to do it with supposed security experts. Then, you turn up, telling me I'm biased. So: fuck you.
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Alec, I spent a bunch of time this year getting the Guardian to retract its toxic WhatsApp story. I politely asked you substantive questions about Facebook 2FA options upthread. Can you explain why you are calling me an idiot on a public forum in return?
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Replying to @Pinboard @Daniel__Harvey
That for some reason you push the implication, twice, that the state of infosec is so parlous that everyone - not only those at high risk, but in fact everyone - should set up "trusted contacts" 2FA and not consider anything lesser.
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In short: that you display what I would consider to be poor risk/usability tradeoff awareness, especially given other people on the slack channel you are hanging out with.
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