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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 21 May 2017

      From the outside, front end development in 2017 looks pathologically overcomplicated. Is this a fair perception? If so, why is it happening?

      92 replies 98 retweets 414 likes
    2. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
      Replying to @Pinboard

      It is a fact that a lot of what traditionally used to happen server-side has moved to the client. /1

      1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
    3. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
      Replying to @John_Idol @Pinboard

      Tools are being developed to let people do client-side the same kind of stuff they do server-side, infrastructure wise. /2

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 21 May 2017
      Replying to @John_Idol

      okay, but on the server we don’t have 10 new frameworks a year and a huge build chain that constantly changes

      5 replies 0 retweets 41 likes
    5. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
      Replying to @Pinboard

      I agree, but you can't stop people from making tools to their life easier the same way you can't stop people from adopting these framework.

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
      Replying to @John_Idol @Pinboard

      I think the "constant change" is given from the fact that we are in a transitional/evolutionary phase. In few years I think it will settle.

      2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 21 May 2017
      Replying to @John_Idol

      so is it fair to say you think the situation is due to rapid change in the web, and moving complexity from backend to front?

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    8. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
      Replying to @Pinboard

      Yes, pretty much. But "rapid change in the web" for me means rapid evolution of the tool-chain to make people lives easier.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 21 May 2017
      Replying to @John_Idol

      no one’s life is getting easier, though

      2:06 AM - 21 May 2017
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        2. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
          Replying to @Pinboard

          Mine is in some ways, i.e. dependency management in js is a nightmare comparable to "dll hell" without some of these tools.

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Giovanni Idili‏ @John_Idol 21 May 2017
          Replying to @John_Idol @Pinboard

          Or even modularisation of components etc is really hard to achieve in vanilla javascript. There's a reason why this stuff gets adopted!

          2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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        2. Eli Mallon‏ @iameli 21 May 2017
          Replying to @Pinboard @John_Idol

          yeah it is. Been teaching students React for the last couple years — create-react-app and ESLint and Prettier have made it so much better

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Eli Mallon‏ @iameli 21 May 2017
          Replying to @iameli @Pinboard @John_Idol

          you just gotta wait for the second generation of tools, which people make after they’re fed up with the first generation’s attempt

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        1. Josh  👻‏ @JoshWComeau 21 May 2017
          Replying to @Pinboard @John_Idol

          My life is! An increased learning curve makes for happier, productive lives when you're used to it.

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        1. Michael Bleigh‏ @mbleigh 21 May 2017
          Replying to @Pinboard @John_Idol

          Lives of users of well-made apps are. The churn comes from trying to make meeting super-high bar of user expectations less impossible.

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        2. Darin Dimitroff‏ @deezel 22 May 2017
          Replying to @Pinboard @John_Idol

          You can't speak for everyone. Once you get over the initial "JS fatigue" snark, the tooling is getting more and more convenient.

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        3. Darin Dimitroff‏ @deezel 22 May 2017
          Replying to @deezel @Pinboard @John_Idol

          I started coding (I'm a product designer) around the time Node started to become popular and I'm working on web apps now.

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