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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 6

      Pinboard Retweeted Justin Amash

      The reform that would really break Facebook would be strict limits on behavioral data collection, and a ban on using customer data in third-party ad targeting. This would bring advertising back to the pre-2000 status quo and demonetize some of the worst behaviors on social media.https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1445462709588291586 …

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      Justin AmashVerified account @justinamash
      Facebook’s incessant pleading for Section 230 reform and more government regulations should be the biggest clue that Section 230 is needed and the government should keep its hands off the internet.
      4 replies 89 retweets 262 likes
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    2. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Oct 6
      Replying to @Pinboard @bergmayer

      The noyb cases may effectively lead to the second outcome in the EU if they prevail, allowing Facebook users to refuse to share their data with advertisers as a condition of usehttps://noyb.eu/en/noybeu-filed-complaints-over-forced-consent-against-google-instagram-whatsapp-and-facebook …

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    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 6
      Replying to @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      How would that lead to the second outcome? Having no data on a particular user within a surveillance architecture is very different from having a framework where you can only target advertising to content.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Oct 8
      Replying to @Pinboard @bergmayer

      Sorry for delay. The logic is that if the EU rules against, Facebook won’t be able to refuse service to people who decline to share data with advertisers. That in turn may make their current business model unworkable in the E.U.

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    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 8
      Replying to @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      My point is that Facebook can use data from the majority of people who don't opt out to make fairly accurate inferences about the remainder who do. The model survives intact unless you can get a large majority opting out, which Facebook will find creative ways to make difficult

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    6. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Oct 8
      Replying to @Pinboard @bergmayer

      This is likely my stupidity, but are they going to be able to make good inferences about person x if they are not allowed to use that individual’s personal data at all? Agree that Facebook will do all it can to make things as hard as possible.

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    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 8
      Replying to @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      There's kind of a three-part answer here. The first part is that ML is really creative at using proxies to get to the same conclusions if you ban it from using certain data as input. We see this come up when you try to eliminate (for example) racial bias from machine learning.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 8
      Replying to @Pinboard @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      And this is an even easier problem than that, you have some subset of people to train on and then have to guess about those who opted out. The second part of the answer is that the inferences don't even have to be great. Who's going to check? Where else will people advertise?

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    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 8
      Replying to @Pinboard @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      The whole question of how accurate even the current invasive targeting model is is an open one. Remember that this whole apparatus is heavily gamed by fraudsters and completely non-transparent. And then finally, even a complete ban in the EU wouldn't deter Facebook surveillance.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 8
      Replying to @Pinboard @henryfarrell @bergmayer

      The link you need to break is the one between user data and ad targeting. For as long as Facebook is allowed to store behavioral and personal data, and target ads on anything beyond very basic facts about a user (like what country they're in) the problem will persist and worsen.

      10:27 AM - 8 Oct 2021
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        1. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell Oct 8
          Replying to @Pinboard @bergmayer

          that I completely agree with.

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