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    1. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 3
      Replying to @Pinboard @LucaVJ85

      I'm not sure it's right, though. Giants are hugely concentrated targets. I'd presume that AWS/MS/Goog are as thoroughly inflitrated as Twitter, which keeps leaking private data to low-rent state actor Saudi Arabia. I think the trade-offs are a bit complicated and uncertain.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @LucaVJ85

      I really think there's a qualitative difference. It's important to compare like with like here, too—Twitter doesn't offer document storage, cloud services, a mobile device operating system or web browser. There's maybe a half dozen companies that can defend that kind of thing.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 4
      Replying to @Pinboard @interfluidity @LucaVJ85

      I'd invite @tqbf to give a more qualified opinion than mine on this topic. But I agree the tradeoffs are not simple or easy to analyze. The one point I'd insist on is that there's a defect-driven centralizing force in software and hardware that doesn't exist in other industries.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 4
      Replying to @Pinboard @interfluidity and

      My proposed nomenclature for the fact that all software is born defective and only enormous companies can afford a security team skilled enough to find and paper over egregious vulnerabilities is "economies of fail"

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
    5. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @Pinboard @LucaVJ85 @tqbf

      i do think the jury is still out about all this. claims for special economies among behemoths often seem unassailable for a while, until the behemoth breaks and the supposed economy is revealed a bit of a fraud or bezzle. 1/

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    6. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard and

      it’s obviously possible these enormous companies break in some awful way. i consider it likely that they are “broken”: the security model here is really that entities capable of breaking them don’t wish to undermine the value of their assets by revealing their capabilities. 2/

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    7. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard and

      under this (obviously speculative) hypothesis, the supposed insecurity of an ecosystem of smaller targets is in significant part the low value of any target broken. “hacks” are more frequently clumsy and revealed. 3/

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    8. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard and

      it is obvious that within an ecosystem of smaller targets, the typical small target is much easier to break then the behemoths. but i don’t think that it is obvious that in actual fact an ecosystem of smaller targets necessarily is less secure than behemoths. 4/

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    9. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard and

      i think it’s probably true for now, because most smaller entities don’t really take security that seriously. but one can imagine an ecosystem of, say, dangerously liable small information fiduciaries, who would. again, each of these would still be easier to break than Amazon. 5/

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    10. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard and

      but the ecosystem as a whole might still be safer. /fin

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Oct 4
      Replying to @interfluidity @LucaVJ85 @tqbf

      I think your analysis overlooks that small players are entirely reliant on the tooling made by the big ones. And when you get to medium scale the situation is worst—you grow large enough to be a target of interest just as you start replacing safer services your own bad software.

      8:29 AM - 4 Oct 2021
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        2. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper Oct 4
          Replying to @Pinboard @interfluidity and

          Hmm, but *software* (which is a *part* of security, but not all of it) scales way sublinearly. In principle, software security innovations can be written once (e.g. by a consortium) and applied everywhere.

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        3. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper Oct 4
          Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard and

          Definitely not true for e.g. sec ops, which probably scales sublinearly (I hope?), which I think is a better argument for centralization. But still...

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