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    1. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29

      i’m a cranky old guy but so much serverless tech shit i read today is just a recapitulation of ideas i was teaching as “enterprise java beans” two decades ago, except then the organization would control the app server rather than ceding it to some oligopoly cloud.

      23 replies 62 retweets 398 likes
    2. Chris‏ @cm_richards Aug 29
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard

      Developing and deploying a serverless function is fairly painless. Isn't that the difference here?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29
      Replying to @cm_richards @Pinboard

      the newer iterations on the old ideas definitely bring with them lots more developer convenience, but that often carries with it a loss of ownership and control. under market incenties generic cheese puffs evolve to cheetos, a improvement kind of.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Chris‏ @cm_richards Aug 29
      Replying to @interfluidity @Pinboard

      Didn't the hatred and complexity of EJB and surrounding technologies spur much needed advancements in web technologies/frameworks? I feel like you might be comparing a monster to something much better here. If you care about developer happiness, it's night and day, surely?

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    5. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29
      Replying to @cm_richards @Pinboard

      I'm certainly not saying there's no improvement. But I am saying the same ideas are sold as novel, when very much they are not. EJBs did suck from a developer perspective, but orthogonal persistence, managed concurrency, etc were all there. I hear them hyped as new. 1/

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    6. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29
      Replying to @interfluidity @cm_richards @Pinboard

      And it is pretty disappointing to me how frequently the ergonomic improvements have been bundled with lock-in. 2/

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    7. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29
      Replying to @interfluidity @cm_richards @Pinboard

      Say what you will about "J2EE", but it was a organized as standard, the division of labor between developer and infrastructure could be maintained in house, one could at least strive to avoid dependency on vendor extensions. This new world has the sweet smell of flypaper. /fin

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Aug 29
      Replying to @interfluidity @cm_richards

      Oh yeah, J2EE maintenance was a breeze! And it had so many standards!

      9:11 PM - 29 Aug 2021
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        1. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity Aug 29
          Replying to @Pinboard @cm_richards

          i mean, EJBs sucked in practice, but they were capable of being ported across appservers. servlets and webapps alone were almost completely standard and portable, although integration with backends often required insertion of an extra, nonstandard files. it was not all terrible.

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