I don't understand the point you're making here. Can you clarify?
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
I was echoing
@pwnallthethings point. That FB and WA do all the same things at any point they can. They’d like to do it on-device, I’d bet, because it’s a huge challenge and the delta between FB and WA reports probably signals that they’re missing a lot.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @charlesarthur @pwnallthethings
My point is that it is very significant whether you do this server side or on the device. A lot of people right now seem to learning that major sites all scan for CSEM (since otherwise they'd be flooded with the worst stuff imaginable) and it's kind of derailing the conversation
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
except that Apple’s point is it scans *only if* the photo is about to be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. So it’s like a gate to the server.
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Replying to @charlesarthur @pwnallthethings
Yes, but it scans on the device. So there is now code on the phone that checks and reports content. I don't know enough about Apple's design and implementation to say anything meaningful beyond that, but the server/device divide is a very bright line, and Apple chose to cross it.
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
it is worth spending a little time reading the page and the attestations by cryptographers, if you haven’t already.
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Replying to @charlesarthur @pwnallthethings
We had a similar conversation over FaceID, if I'm remembering right. Posit that the safeguards around implementation are bulletproof and impeccable, it still normalizes a deeply corrosive change in norms around how our devices behave, and whose team they are ultimately on.
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
I don’t recall the conversation. I think FaceID is wayyyyy more secure as a model than having such recognition on a server.
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Replying to @charlesarthur @pwnallthethings
Maybe I'm misremembering who I had it with. The issue is not whether on-device face recognition is safer than some other approach, but that a world where devices scan your face during use is a much worse world to live in than one where they don't.
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
hm. “Opinions differ”, but this is definitely an example of “technology isn’t good or bad, but neither is it neutral.”
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I'm going to tap out of this conversation since it seems likely to head in a direction where we just dunk on each other, which is not what I want.
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Replying to @Pinboard @pwnallthethings
Understood. Always good to talk, Maciej.
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