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    1. Pär Björklund‏ @Paxxi Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @pwnallthethings

      That's true. Maybe Facebooks numbers are bad. Maybe apples current implementation is bad. Maybe pedophiles disable cloud backups/iCloud. It's hard to say with what we currently know. The last one doesn't seem entirely plausible though

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    2. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq Aug 7
      Replying to @Paxxi @pwnallthethings

      I think they don’t use iPhones for pedo stuff. I’m pretty sure they’ll assume this capability exists already and simply not trust iPhones. However, there are no doubt some stupid people who do stupid things who’ll get caught by this. My suspicion is they’re not the worst offender

      3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @Paxxi @pwnallthethings

      It’s a lot of assumptions on my part, but I really can’t imagine there is a huge number of pedos using iPhones to stored their collections of CSAM.

      2 replies 3 retweets 10 likes
    4. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @Paxxi @pwnallthethings

      Some numbers, with source. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/05/technology/apple-iphones-privacy.html … “Last year, for instance, Apple reported 265 cases to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, while Facebook reported 20.3 million, according to the center’s statistics.”

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    5. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @Paxxi @pwnallthethings

      20.1 million of those were IRA bots placing kompromat. 😂 Partly a joke, but the vast majority of activity on FB is bots so it seems reasonable the same would apply to CSAM activity...

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Miguel “mask and vax” de Icaza‏ @migueldeicaza Aug 7
      Replying to @RichFelker @thegrugq and

      Facebook did sample some of users to determine intent, there are some good news (not everyone sharing those pics is a pedo, just assholes), but also really bad news (it’s real, and 25% of caught users were pedos) https://www.facebook.com/safety/onlinechildprotection … (

      2 replies 3 retweets 7 likes
    7. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker Aug 7
      Replying to @migueldeicaza @thegrugq and

      I don't really trust Facebook to self-report on this anyway, with no evidence they can show us. If there were really 5 million prosecutions, they could provide a list of 5 million case numbers we could look up in the relevant court records. If not, why not?

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    8. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq Aug 7
      Replying to @RichFelker @migueldeicaza and

      As another datapoint: the bust of the largest active CSAM Darkweb site at the time revealed some numbers — over a million accounts. Assume they’re all real and all malicious, that’s still less than a quarter of the malicious users Facebook flagged.

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    9. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @RichFelker and

      Is Facebook honestly more popular for active pedos trading CSAM with each other than a darkweb site? Are there four times more pedos trading CSAM on Facebook than on the darkweb? Can that be right?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Miguel “mask and vax” de Icaza‏ @migueldeicaza Aug 7
      Replying to @thegrugq @RichFelker and

      I would guess the pedo population follows a standard distribution, with only a small group (17% of the higher side of the tail) having graduated to advanced opsec procedures, the rest just use what they can.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Aug 7
      Replying to @migueldeicaza @thegrugq and

      Assume a spherical pedophile of radius r...

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