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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

      Pinboard Retweeted Dan Rather

      This piece by Dan Rather is a good example of the motivated reasoning that has poisoned the discussion over covid origins, and ironically a very unscientific approach. Whether science is under attack or not should have zero bearing on investigating how the pandemic started.https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1406611921256828930 …

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      Dan RatherVerified account @DanRather
      Scientists, and the very ideals of science, are under attack on many fronts. This is dangerous and shortsighted. So I was dismayed to hear Jon Stewart add to the "questioning" when he went on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert this week. My thoughts here. https://steady.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-science …
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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

      If the pandemic was iatrogenic, then Stewart is in fact completely correct that certain avenues of scientific research pose a major threat to humanity. And scientists are not neutral arbiters in that discussion, but have an enormous interest in the exculpatory answer being right.

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    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

      The answer to the covid origins question will help us decide whether we should be building new coronavirus research labs or tearing them down. Whether this answer helps the opponents of science, or helps Trump, or upsets China, or destroys public confidence is irrelevant.

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

      The circumstantial evidence Stewart points to is compelling. You have a novel coronavirus arise in the same city as one of three labs in the world that study these viruses, and nowhere near where we find related diseases in the wild. You have a lot of people trying to cover up.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

      We know we're about 1/5 for iatrogenic pandemics in the 20th century; we know the base rate of lab accidents is high; we know this all happened in a surveillance society where any tracks leading to an alternate source would be retrospectively visible to the authorities.

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        2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

          So Stewart is in fact applying scientific principles in his hypothesis—in this case Occam's Razor. Check out the novel virus lab down the street from the novel virus spreading event, he says, and don't let political or social considerations derail your inquiry. That's science.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

          If millions of people died because research into preventing a pandemic created the conditions for starting one, that is the most important lesson we could learn from covid. Getting the answer right, one way or the other, is the only way to prevent this all from happening again.

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        4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

          I'm not asking anyone to believe the evidence we have right now is adequate. But I wish commentators like Rather would stop conditioning their beliefs on the consequences of one answer or the other being right, and stop attacking the question itself as somehow harmful.

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        5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 20

          The one thing that science is supposed to be best at—updating beliefs based on new evidence—is something we've consistently failed at all through the pandemic. The mantra of "believe the science" revealed itself as just an argument from authority dressed up in a lab coat.

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        1. Bennett Tomlin‏ @BennettTomlin Jun 20
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          The tendency for some to avoid even the possibility of uncovering inconvenient truths is troubling

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        1. muddletoes‏ @muddletoes Jun 20
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          You're well on your way towards a conspiracy theory, but I will say this: the answer to the question of whether or not COVID-19 escaped from a lab in Wuhan has no bearing whatsoever on whether there is currently an iatrogenic pandemic risk from any facility you could regulate.

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        1. Charles Arthur‏Verified account @charlesarthur Jun 20
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          Agree with all your points above, but what’s this one? Which is the iatrogenic pandemic you’re referring to? (You’re not referring to Covid, right?) There’s been SARS, MERS, Zika, swine flu, Ebola, errr.. none of those is iatrogenic? Only one’s pandemic?

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        1. David Adrian  💉 💉 🎉‏ @davidcadrian Jun 20
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          What five are you counting here?

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