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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 5

      Buried lede in this piece is that Google, a frequent subject of NYT coverage, has full visibility into the internal emails of the nation's most prominent newspaper. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/us/politics/times-reporter-emails-gag-order-trump-google.html …pic.twitter.com/gNuxPxUDCP

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    2. adubism‏ @adubism Jun 5
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      Gmail isn’t encrypted?

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    3. epsalon  🏳️‍⚧️ Ph.D. B.L.M ACAB‏ @epsalon Jun 5
      Replying to @adubism @Pinboard

      Yes, it is, but not end to end encrypted. Google systems have access to the plaintext data.

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 5
      Replying to @epsalon @adubism

      No, it's not encrypted at all in the accepted sense of the term.

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    5. epsalon  🏳️‍⚧️ Ph.D. B.L.M ACAB‏ @epsalon Jun 5
      Replying to @Pinboard @adubism

      Gmail data is 100% encrypted at rest and in transit. Any claim otherwise is a lie. An attacker with access to networks and/or to storage media cannot access the underling data. It is not end to end encrypted in the sense that Google holds all the keys.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 5
      Replying to @epsalon @adubism

      When we talk about encrypted email, we're usually talking about something different than how intermediaries secure the data. I'm sure it's organically encrypted with the freshest ingredients on Google's servers, but that's not really encrypted email.

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        2. epsalon  🏳️‍⚧️ Ph.D. B.L.M ACAB‏ @epsalon Jun 5
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          The email is also encrypted in transit to third parties if they support encrypted SMTP, which is the standard definition of encrypted email.

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        3. Kendrick Eastes‏ @keastes Jun 6
          Replying to @epsalon @Pinboard @adubism

          Still not e2e. And not just in email, but any communication, if the plaintext exists anywhere (i.e. in ram between transit crypto and storage crypto) but the sender/recipient's devices it's not e2e. This is not new, It's only been standard terminology for what 20+ years now?

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