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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 3
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      This is more like Ebola II emerged down the street from the National Ebola Center. It's pretty important to find out more.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 3
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      My main qualm with you is the idea you're promulgating that there's something a priori unlikely about a lab leak origin. Lab leaks are common, zoonotic transfer is common, pandemics are extremely rare. Having an example of the latter gives us nothing solid to reason from

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. You Don't Know Me Fernando‏ @tw1terstolemyac Jun 3
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      there are zero known instances of a pandemic occurring due to a lab leak, and many known instances of pandemics occurring due to zoonotic transfer. please just stop.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Otomics‏ @otomics Jun 3
      Replying to @tw1terstolemyac @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      Otomics Retweeted Trevor Bedford

      You should learn more before saying this.https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1400237542100799490 …

      Otomics added,

      Trevor BedfordVerified account @trvrb
      On the other hand, of the recent influenza pandemics (H2N2 in 1957, H3N2 in 1968, H1N1 in 1977, H1N1 in 2009), one of the four (1977 H1N1) is conclusively a reintroduction into the human population via some lab intermediary. Lab accidents do happen. 5/8
      Show this thread
      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Allison‏ @fallenigloos Jun 3
      Replying to @otomics @tw1terstolemyac and

      Allison Retweeted Gigi Gronvall

      Probably not a “lab accident” but it doesn’t really matter- that’s exactly one ever vs zoonotic diseases emerging ALL THE TIME. Like, people don’t realize.https://twitter.com/ggronvall/status/1399822348942024709 …

      Allison added,

      Gigi GronvallVerified account @ggronvall
      Because of the attention on COVID-19's origin, many are learning about the mysterious flu season of 1977, the so-called "Russian Flu." It was nearly identical to a 1950's H1N1 strain. It was def not a natural outbreak, but also not likely a lab accident. https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mBio.01013-15 …
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    6. Allison‏ @fallenigloos Jun 3
      Replying to @fallenigloos @otomics and

      Allison Retweeted Amy Maxmen, PhD

      I really think a lot of the mess here is people just not understanding the relative frequencies of different events.https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1400169680480792576 …

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      Amy Maxmen, PhDVerified account @amymaxmen
      A man in China was just diagnosed with a novel influenza virus from birds. In May, a Malaysian patient with mysterious pneumonia was infected with a novel coronavirus. https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab456/6278597 … Spillovers happen frequently. Expect it & prepare for it. https://apnews.com/article/china-bird-flu-flu-health-b5862e1d9892b25fdb470abf30432289?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP …
      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 3
      Replying to @fallenigloos @otomics and

      You're conflating two different things, occurence of novel virus pandemic vs zoonotic disease jumping to humans. Pandemics are *rare*. Diseases jumping to humans without causing pandemic, and lab accidents that don't cause a pandemic, are both common.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. You Don't Know Me Fernando‏ @tw1terstolemyac Jun 3
      Replying to @Pinboard @fallenigloos and

      I love this language of 'lab accidents' that is deliberately vague. Please name one known incidence of not even a pandemic, an epidemic caused by a leak from a BSL4 lab.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 3
      Replying to @tw1terstolemyac @fallenigloos and

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak …

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. You Don't Know Me Fernando‏ @tw1terstolemyac Jun 3
      Replying to @Pinboard @fallenigloos and

      that's not an epidemic. it was also not a bsl4 lab.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Jun 3
      Replying to @tw1terstolemyac @fallenigloos and

      It's not an epidemic because anthrax is not contagious. I'm not sure where your BSL4 requirement comes from. I don't think it matters to the virus.

      7:24 PM - 3 Jun 2021
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        2. You Don't Know Me Fernando‏ @tw1terstolemyac Jun 3
          Replying to @Pinboard @fallenigloos and

          ...do you not know what a bsl4 lab is?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. You Don't Know Me Fernando‏ @tw1terstolemyac Jun 3
          Replying to @tw1terstolemyac @Pinboard and

          because right now that's what it sound likes.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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