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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29

      Pinboard Retweeted Ali Velshi

      People's thinking on this topic is tied in pretzels. The origins of covid matter because they will help us prevent the next pandemic. Lab escape and direct zoonotic transfer have radically different implications for how we do that. This is a public health issue, not geopoliticshttps://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1398701148333395968 …

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      Ali VelshiVerified account @AliVelshi
      “There is no smoking bat… [China] doesn’t trust the U.S. and we don’t trust them. This is set up to make the relationship between the two countries much worse.” @ianbremmer warns how the Wuhan-lab leak conspiracy theory will complicate U.S.-China relations. #velshi pic.twitter.com/Fyu9QnQl6J
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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29

      China is an authoritarian surveillance state. They have ample relevant data to help determine the origins of covid, and can choose to share it or not. But our search for the answer should not be conditioned on their willingness to cooperate, or the consequences of making them mad

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    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29

      Chinese citizens, because they live under authoritarian rule, are unable to pressure their government from within for a candid investigation into the origins of covid. The only possible source of pressure comes from abroad, and we can't abrogate our duty to seek answers.

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29

      If it turns out this was an iatrogenic pandemic, then that also has immense global implications for how we study dangerous pathogens in the future. This is not a "blame China" issue but a basic question of risk.

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    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29

      Those who equate criticism of the Chinese government with sinophobia or racism are carrying water for a genocidal regime, and doing immense disservice to the very people they claim to be defending.

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    6. Matthew Green‏Verified account @matthew_d_green May 29
      Replying to @Pinboard

      Alternatively, maybe our best future hope for international cooperation on lab safety issues is to *not* pick a politically-fraught argument with China.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      What's the point of cooperation on lab safety issues that has no controls, disclosure, or impartial investigation after a pandemic? What's worth preserving here?

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Matthew Green‏Verified account @matthew_d_green May 29
      Replying to @Pinboard

      There is a future in which China, not faced with a direct accusation of malfeasance and the accompanying loss of face, sits down voluntarily to agree on tougher lab safety standards. Because this is a position that benefits them.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      It comes down to saying "we have to be nice to China or they'll take even shittier precautions next time." The accusation of malfeasance, if it's wrong, is one they can easily disprove through disclosure.

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        2. Matthew Green‏Verified account @matthew_d_green May 29
          Replying to @Pinboard

          I think at this point we’ve moved pretty decisively away from a world in which China discloses anything. And fantasizing about it doesn’t help. In the world we live in, is there a good outcome? Even the USSR came to the table over things.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard May 29
          Replying to @matthew_d_green

          I'm not a "give up before trying" person, so I think the first good step is investigation, even if the Chinese government offers no assistance. And rewarding their bullying tactics on this or any other point is counterproductive.

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