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    1. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      There's a path to redemption but it would be tough. DHH could acknowledge he flipped out, they could admit "no politics at work" is ridiculous (and impossible to avoid when making big choices in software design) and try to rebuild from there. But instead they'll triple down.

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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @mathowie

      Redemption is such a striking word choice. Isn't the whole point of this policy that there's a large cohort of people don't want to see struggle sessions and self-criticism culture take over their workplace?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28
      Replying to @Pinboard

      I read it as the people at the top don't want to be in diversity discussions or consider other viewpoints pretty much ever, yeah.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @mathowie

      I suspect that there's also employees who have observed that diversity discussions without boundaries will turn into purity tests and a race to the left, and may welcome such a change

      9 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Han Seoul-Oh‏ @laughinghan Apr 28
      Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

      Maciej, you’re one of my heroes so—wtf are you talking about? Do you have any evidence that happened here? Why wouldn’t you believe the reporting that someone brought up that pyramid and DHH got defensive, what about that sounds implausible to you?

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    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @laughinghan @mathowie

      The reporting sounds completely plausible (though I suspect there was a long list of other incidents before this). The pyramid is an excellent example of the kind of dynamic I'm talking about, and the response is one I agree with. You gotta stop this ridiculousness somewhere.

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    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @Pinboard @laughinghan @mathowie

      I'm sorry my response disappoints you! Hopefully on the next thing we'll agree again.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Han Seoul-Oh‏ @laughinghan Apr 28
      Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

      Thank you for your response, altho I’m more confused. 1) how was the pyramid an example of a purity test? 2) what was the response you agreed with, the dredging up the person’s old msg or banning all discussion of “political” or “societal” issues at work (whatever that means)?

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    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @laughinghan

      (Untagging Matt because he doesn't deserve to suffer). 1) By purity I mean people are incentivized to be the staunchest defenders of what is right, and will compete on this axis. 2) The response I agree with is the fatwa against political talk on company chat, not the dunking

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    10. jneen collective‏ @jneen_ Apr 29
      Replying to @Pinboard @laughinghan

      do you consider it acceptable to ban worker organizing? or do you consider unions to be non political?

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 29
      Replying to @jneen_ @laughinghan

      I think unions are great, and the Basecamp employees should start one.

      8:41 AM - 29 Apr 2021
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        2. jneen collective‏ @jneen_ Apr 29
          Replying to @Pinboard @laughinghan

          is this non political, then? i’m just a little confused because like… a *lot* of these “political discussions” are… actually a disagreement about working conditions - not being exposed to racist bs on a daily basis for example.

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        3. jneen collective‏ @jneen_ Apr 29
          Replying to @jneen_ @Pinboard @laughinghan

          or do you think management has the right to expose employees to racist bs without any recourse, and that this would not be part of the function of worker organizing?

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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