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    1. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      Tense discussions happen from time to time at work, it’s part of life. But when an employee questions a statement or a joke or even an apology by an exec, what happens next speaks volumes.

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    2. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      employees brought up the list of funny names and 10yrs later, it’s not fun and a little mean and racist. I will credit DHH for the response he wrote acknowledging it was bad and why it’s gone but in the ensuing discussion someone points out how name calling leads to worse things.

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    3. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      It’s an interesting point but maybe it was a step too far deep in a tense discussion that started with a full fledged apology. I think the person posting it wanted to make sure DHH knew why the list was wrong but he felt like he already said it was wrong. But here’s the crux:

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    4. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      Even when you’re the CTO and you’re eating crow by apologizing to staff, if one response is you didn’t do enough, TAKE THE LOSS and be quiet and think over why this person didn’t think you got it. DON’T GET DEFENSIVE. Repeat: don’t get defensive.

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    5. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      There’s a tendency to always have the last word in an argument that is also working here. In my mind, this whole basecamp thing hinges on DHH flipping out after seeing “genocide” on a graphic when he could have said “harsh! but fair, we won’t do these things going forward”pic.twitter.com/7e3NVv5xDg

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    6. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      I’ve seen far too many execs refuse to take the L and apologize or step back in the heat of the moment and so many seemingly small things blew up into giant problems because in a thread of 50 comments an exec couldn’t ignore one thing they saw as a jab or barb or dunk on them.

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    7. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      An exec should take the high road, do big picture stuff & protect employees. But DHH didn’t deescalate, he dug through years of chat logs to repost a hypocritical gotcha from the person who posted criticism which is remarkably petty! DHH’s gotta win every argument at all costs!

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    8. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28

      There's a path to redemption but it would be tough. DHH could acknowledge he flipped out, they could admit "no politics at work" is ridiculous (and impossible to avoid when making big choices in software design) and try to rebuild from there. But instead they'll triple down.

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    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @mathowie

      Redemption is such a striking word choice. Isn't the whole point of this policy that there's a large cohort of people don't want to see struggle sessions and self-criticism culture take over their workplace?

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    10. Matt Haughey‏ @mathowie Apr 28
      Replying to @Pinboard

      I read it as the people at the top don't want to be in diversity discussions or consider other viewpoints pretty much ever, yeah.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
      Replying to @mathowie

      I suspect that there's also employees who have observed that diversity discussions without boundaries will turn into purity tests and a race to the left, and may welcome such a change

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        1. Elrond Hubbard‏ @nucknyan Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          Pinboard. Please ask yourself why you're siding with breitbart. I know you're not stupid, you must realize what a red herring this is, I'm sure you've read the Verge article. Just step back and think, please.

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        1. Ivan_cho‏ @Ivan_cho Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          But this was not setting boundaries, it just rejected the whole idea of diversity discussions outright.

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        2. Han Seoul-Oh‏ @laughinghan Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          Maciej, you’re one of my heroes so—wtf are you talking about? Do you have any evidence that happened here? Why wouldn’t you believe the reporting that someone brought up that pyramid and DHH got defensive, what about that sounds implausible to you?

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
          Replying to @laughinghan @mathowie

          The reporting sounds completely plausible (though I suspect there was a long list of other incidents before this). The pyramid is an excellent example of the kind of dynamic I'm talking about, and the response is one I agree with. You gotta stop this ridiculousness somewhere.

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        2.  🧯 🌎‏ @tastylatkes Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          Workers in this employment sector aren't used to seeing this type of thing as a labor issue, but a ban on committees, and a statement that workers can speak for legislation supported by management, but not for causes unsupported by management, is an NLRB charge in the making.

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        3.  🧯 🌎‏ @tastylatkes Apr 28
          Replying to @tastylatkes @Pinboard @mathowie

          Are you allowed to talk about football on the company dime/group chat? Then you are allowed to coordinate with coworkers about your working conditions (ie: concerted activity)

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        1. JulieG‏ @stringy Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard

          I think you're assuming that the circumstances that would make you take this kind of action are what caused them to take this action.

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        1. Sven Slootweg  🏳️‍🌈, but festive‏ @joepie91 Apr 29
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          This goes back to what I've pointed out in a few threads already: you can just *moderate* things. It's entirely fair to set boundaries such that discussions remain constructive. Throwing "politics" out with the bathwater is not the solution here.

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        2. Amy Hoy‏ @amyhoy Apr 28
          Replying to @Pinboard @mathowie

          even if that was the “real issue,” the leadership decided to write whiny blog posts for the public audience rather than actually manage their company by talking to their actual employees

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 28
          Replying to @amyhoy @mathowie

          Oh, come on. If they hadn't written anything you'd be on them now for their silence.

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