But I agree with the people who banned this in the belief that it makes things worse, not better
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Replying to @Pinboard @chrystalzou and
do you honestly believe that banning their marginalized employees from actively participating and engaging in their DEI efforts, and instead, putting the white head of HR in charge of it will make things better? Better to whom?
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Replying to @pedroreys @chrystalzou and
I would dispute that anyone who works at Basecamp is in any way marginalized. A cushy tech job is kind of by definitions not at the margins of anything. That aside, I think these efforts are far better conducted by workers outside the supervision and involvement of management.
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Replying to @Pinboard @chrystalzou and
while I agree with the part of organizing without management involvement, the first part of what you said reads like you are gaslighting all marginalized folks that work in tech because they make good money.
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Replying to @pedroreys @chrystalzou and
Has 'gaslighting' now come to mean any disagreement?
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Replying to @Pinboard @pedroreys and
Dude, gaslighting is denying reality in an attempt to make someone feel crazy. When you make claims about people you don’t know (asserting that no one who works at Basecamp is marginalized), denying their reality, it sure as hell sounds like gaslighting.
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Replying to @WilliamOckhamTx @pedroreys and
I'm not denying reality, but disputing the characterization of people who work at a boutique Chicago tech company, whatever their background, as being on the margins of society. That seems fairly clear-cut to me.
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Replying to @mikeindustries @WilliamOckhamTx and
Okay, but at this point 'marginalized' has become such a catchall word as to convey little meaning. It flattens the life experience of all sorts of people into a generic category. In practical terms, it now means little more than "favored in the current social justice hierarchy"
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I think there is a harmful self-reinforcing dynamic in constant fixation on people's otherness, alienation, trauma, and sense of non-belonging, let alone when they become a form of social currency. To deplore that social dynamic is not to deny the reality of the experience.
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Replying to @mikeindustries @WilliamOckhamTx and
At the risk of further agreement, doing this on their own terms outside the view of management might be far better than the approach that is being abandoned.
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