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    1. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @jeffmcjunkin and

      How do you protect against a user loading a malicious app (call it "Official MAGA Voter Guide") that on election day behaves convincingly like the official voting app but doesn't actually cast a ballot? That's not a sci-fi exploit. Security of user devices is hard.

      2 replies 2 retweets 30 likes
    2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 7
      Replying to @mattblaze @jeffmcjunkin and

      As I said above, the potential scale of disruption is no worse than with mail-in ballots. How do you protect against a robocall that convincingly spreads misinformation about voting? The scale of disruption would be similar, so that's not a good argument to dismiss it.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @jeffmcjunkin and

      Except that you still have that problem, but also now this new one. Plus all the other new ones you and I haven't considered (I just made this attack up on the spot). You're strictly increasing the amount of vulnerability, as well as the avenues for casting doubt on the outcome.

      3 replies 1 retweet 31 likes
    4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 7
      Replying to @mattblaze @jeffmcjunkin and

      Not so, there are attacks against mail-in ballots and the postal service that would no longer work. Even so a modest increase in attack surface to make voting more accessible and reduce disenfranchisement would be a good trade... (Yes, evidence suggests it doesn't).

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @jeffmcjunkin and

      You want only people who own smartphones to be able to cast absentee ballots by eliminating mail-in voting? Let me refer you to election law.

      3 replies 0 retweets 25 likes
    6. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 7
      Replying to @mattblaze @jeffmcjunkin and

      That doesn't really sound like a good faith argument. I think you're saying "unless we turn of mail-in ballots, then we have more vulnerabilities", but that's not true - malicious disruptions to the postal service would still allow other forms of voting.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @mattblaze and

      Lot of "consider a spherical voter of radius R" energy here

      1 reply 0 retweets 30 likes
    8. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 7
      Replying to @Pinboard @mattblaze and

      I don't know, Matt said "You're strictly increasing the amount of vulnerability", that seems worth addressing. There are attacks that are no longer possible, so it's not true... right?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @mattblaze and

      Vulnerability here extends out into non-technical domains like people's general confidence in elections being fair. Elections are not a technical problem but a general social consensus, and adding apps to the mix adds layers of serious risk even if they were provably error-free.

      3 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
    10. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso Apr 7
      Replying to @Pinboard @mattblaze and

      Naturally, but the paper - cited by Matt - says that malware is the greatest threat, not non-technical domains. I'm saying that the threat from malware is overblown. That said, there are still other good arguments against it.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard Apr 7
      Replying to @taviso @mattblaze and

      My claim is that making a distinction between technical and non-technical here at all is a category error.

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