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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      The fuss here is political theater targeted at a specific audience. When I go to see a play and someone gets shot in Act IV, my decision about whether to call 911 is going to depend very heavily about whether it takes place on stage or out in the audience.

      7 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @WilliamOckhamTx

      It's not "political theater" to convince 70+ million people that their electoral victory was stolen, their votes nullified, through outright fraud, led by the guy about to be sworn in with the cooperation even of some Republicans.

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Pinboard @WilliamOckhamTx

      Or you have a very strange definition of "political theater."

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      I contend that that's the very essence of political theater. It has no chance of achieving its ostensible aim, but is a orchestrated performance in front of the 45% or whatever it is of American voters who will now believe this in perpetuity, and vote accordingly next time.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      It's not good, or healthy, or Christmas come early to see a big chunk of Congress decide to participate in the 2021 version of birtherism. But let's not treat a cynical political performance as a bona fide attempt to steal an election. That's offensive to real election stealers!

      6 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      And if their attempt succeeded what do you think they'd do? Say "oh this was just theatre!" and let Biden take office? Of course not. Ergo it's a serious attempt.

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    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @bernandes_ @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      This is like arguing if you dress up in a monocle and top hat pretending to be a millionaire, and then happen to find a bag with a million dollars, then you would take it. It is true but doesn't make the attempt any less unrealistic or performative

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    8. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      Unrealistic and performative are two completely different things. An unrealistic attempt to steal an election should still be taken seriously.

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    9. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @bernandes_ @Pinboard and

      Also, I think you're making the mistake of presuming everyone in the GOP sees this attempt the same way. I think there's large groups of people that see this as a serious attempt, along with another significant # who are just playing along for optics

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    10. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @bernandes_ @Pinboard and

      The danger of course is that if you "just play along" long enough, it becomes very serious. Which is why none of what anyone in the GOP is doing should be written off so flippantly as you suggest.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @bernandes_ @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

      Show me on the doll where I am dismissing anything about this. My argument is that this is a (very real) political battle and we should treat it as such.

      2:38 PM - 11 Dec 2020
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        2. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep @WilliamOckhamTx

          Fair play, I'm sure you do see this as serious. I do think that labelling this as a political battle instead a bona fide attempt to steal an election has real ramifications for this country's democracy.

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        3. Will just released a single!  🎶 🎧 🎹‏ @bernandes_ 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @bernandes_ @Pinboard and

          People who lose political battles get to stick around to pass laws, or try and subvert another election. People who launch failed coup attempts rarely do. I think labelling this the former increases the chance for another (possibly successful) subversion of an election

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