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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020

      Pinboard Retweeted Kelly Mahoney  💖 Commissions OPEN  💚

      ColdFusion and Visual Basic!https://twitter.com/SoSplush/status/1292116859203063809 …

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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020

      Learning to do web stuff with VB and ColdFusion was good practice for getting mocked for using Perl and PHP later on. Visual Basic especially had a super interesting developer community around it. The languages that are the best on-ramps for beginners get made fun of the most

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    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020

      I think the greatest insight Larry Wall ever had is that a computer language also includes the community around it. The right community can keep a bad language afloat, or it can be a boat anchor around the neck of the most elegant language, like happened with Lisp

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020

      VB was considered beneath contempt by real programmers for reasons I never understood, but you could hook it in to Word, Excel, Access, and build actual apps that did stuff in half a day.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020

      Later I learned that Lisp and functional programming was the ultimate in elegance, but no one had ever seen a Lisp GUI. It was the rotary engine of computer programming— acclaimed as the provably superior design, but no one seemed to ever build a car around it.

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        2. indica‏ @indica 8 Aug 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard

          We had to do LISP in cognitive science, it's like talking to an alien species. You can write entire programs in one line but everything was done through fucking parentheses and cryptic punctuation. Our homework would be to literally write one line and I couldn't do it.

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        1. Chad Barb‏ @chadbarb 8 Aug 2020
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          Haha. Nicely put. Maybe also like the Velvet Underground of languages—everyone that learned LISP invented their own language. (Many of them are, alas just “bug-ridden, slow implementations of half of Common Lisp.” But some not.)

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        2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 8 Aug 2020
          Replying to @SosnaArno @paulg

          We are both hackers and painters

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        2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 8 Aug 2020
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          Yeah! And Abuse is written like 1/3rd in Common Lisp! I don’t know what these people are talking about. Lisp is everywhere. Everything definitely isn’t a bunch of SQL databases.

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        1. Apel  💉 Mjausson‏ @Mjausson 8 Aug 2020
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          Xerox made LISP work stations. I used them at uni back in the 80s. They were very slow and the power button was badly placed. Many sessions ended abruptly when you accidentally hit it with your knee.

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        2. Robert Siipola‏ @robertsiipola 9 Aug 2020
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          1/ I think Javascript was originally inspired by Scheme. While strictly speaking JS is a multiparadigm language, I'd wager that the dominant style of writing JS in the wild today is leaning heavily on the functional style of doing things.

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        3. Robert Siipola‏ @robertsiipola 9 Aug 2020
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          2/ A large portion of web GUIs today are written in React, which itself embraces the functional paradigm. So while Lisp itself never managed to become dominant in GUI creation, I think it's fair to say that its direct descendants have had great success at it.

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