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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @can @KirinDave and

      Again, if people want to argue that what he's done is so terrible that he deserves de-anonymization, that's totally different. That's not the NYT claim or position. Other than that, yeah, one's right to a pen name should not depend on quality of prior opsec.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @can @KirinDave and

      If trappings of "public figure" of even that small or any scale are to have no right to have a blog without having to seriously curtail your professional life, which for a therapist is certainly fair, many people will suffer under that criteria. This is not a reasonable standard.

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    6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      To inject some context: Scott Alexander appears to relish his role as a notable public intellectual, and in meetups — his blog has meetups! — apparently introduces himself with his real name.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @can and

      Once again, NYT is a different game; it changes the Google aspect. I had a version of this problem before, and one NYT article was the change (in my case, I needed it--long story I should maybe write). Obscurity is in layers; one NYT article is forever your first search result.

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    8. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      Sure, I’m not expecting that context to persuade you, I just think it’s worth making the distinction between people forced to be public figures (if only to express their conscience) and those who court that status deliberately.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @can and

      And I think people deserve a pen name until there is an argument on the merits. I've defended de-anonymization before (the reddit jailbait/creepshot moderator!). For SLC, he was careless is not an arguments on the merits. I know similar others; NYT respects their pen names.

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    10. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @can and

      I know and respect where you’re coming from and expect we’ll mostly just end up disagreeing, but my case on the merits is that this person is anonymous only when called to account, but freely identifies themselves socially when it suits them.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @zeynep and

      What a bizarre stance this is. You and I talk about all kinds of things in social settings that we would not want to see in the NYT. A meetup is not a deposition

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        2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @zeynep and

          I don’t know. Maybe I’m not sensitive enough to this stuff. I sign my name to what I write, and have spent a career assuming what I say will get pastebinned, as has happened several times.

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        3. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard and

          I’ve also left a paper trail almost as long as S.A.’s on HN, all under my own name, all available to the NYT. I’d like to believe what I say there is consistent with what I’d say privately to you, and with my own convictions.

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        1. Student of the Classics‏ @KirinDave 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @tqbf and

          If you talk loudly in a bar and someone overhears you, I'm not sure your desires override the recipient's right to their own perspective. And that's a better metaphor than yours, because Scott is literally publishing to an audience of tens of thousands.

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