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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      I had been logged on my Facebook on the second computer. I literally have a Chromebook whose key purpose is for me to log on to Facebook in guest mode. (Part of my experiment in tracing these things). That computer has none of my accounts logged in. None. https://twitter.com/soupkitchen/status/1263623319946842113 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Protean Times

      I know some will think it's the microphone but that's implausible (only FB app on phone is Whatsapp and I think we'd know) and also really burdensome (they are going to transcribe conversations?) and also why, why, why? Illegal, big risk, not necessary.https://twitter.com/proteantimes/status/1263623698520477697?s=20 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Protean Times @proteantimes
      Replying to @zeynep
      Happened to me too. Some app on phone picks up from microphone.
      15 replies 7 retweets 87 likes
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Queer as in fuck me

      I normally tell people exactly that, but I systematically look at every Facebook ad I get and make note of any new category. Absolutely the first high-end coffee maker ad I have seen on Facebook ever in my life in at least last decade of being on Facebook.https://twitter.com/sextoyspolitics/status/1263624187534405633 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Queer as in fuck me @sextoyspolitics
      Replying to @zeynep
      So it's POSSIBLE that this is just the first time you've ever *noticed* a high-end coffee machine ad, because you had them on your mind, and our brains do work that way. But I would also not be at all surprised if this was a case of tech surveillance.
      6 replies 11 retweets 90 likes
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Bob Hunt

      Right, that's what I'm asking. Is it known that Facebook pixel will log IP and Facebook will allow targeting like that? I'm not asking if anyone knows this is a product on offer or known to be done? Not asking for the wildest theory. Is there an IP path?https://twitter.com/Bobhunt5/status/1263624098120433667 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Bob Hunt @Bobhunt5
      Replying to @zeynep
      Facebook pixel on the coffee maker website
      15 replies 10 retweets 89 likes
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Robin Berjon

      Iphone (iOs), Safari, private mode. So the only thing I can imagine is the IP. Two separate machines/browsers and both browsers are not logged into anything and are in incognito/private mode.https://twitter.com/robinberjon/status/1263624507534856193 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Robin Berjon @robinberjon
      Replying to @robinberjon @zeynep
      (You say you looked it up on the phone but what with, browser, OS, etc.)
      10 replies 6 retweets 59 likes
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Steven M. Bellovin

      Right. Cross-device tracking. Though this was immediate. Look up - > ad. So I'm wondering if this is a product they sell? They just do it to increase ad relevance (free to advertiser?)https://twitter.com/SteveBellovin/status/1263625004442320902?s=20 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Steven M. BellovinVerified account @SteveBellovin
      Replying to @zeynep
      Both from home WiFi? Then it's the same IP address. Trying to link devices is a major goal for companies like Facebook; see, e.g., https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity17/technical-sessions/presentation/zimmeck …
      10 replies 14 retweets 76 likes
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted IlGnom-eh.

      No, not even once. Plus, I actually switch to brand new phones fairly often (don't ask; it's research). This phone was deliberately kept completely free of Facebook except for having WhatsApp on it. I have a single, separate device for Facebook.https://twitter.com/ilgnome/status/1263627147186405385 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      IlGnom-eh. @ilgnome
      Replying to @zeynep
      Have you ever visited facebook website on the phone itself?
      6 replies 8 retweets 31 likes
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      That's my guess: that there is some fingerprinting going on and all my devices are linked to my Facebook account. (They use same IP regularly). Basically, no amount of privacy options or switches on the platform or separating devices protects against this. https://twitter.com/aarongraves/status/1263625691750436870 …

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Wolfie Christl

      I would love to get to know if anyone has clarity/information on this? It seems like a really important thing for people to know: forget not being on Facebook, even not being on the same device is protective of tracking via cross-device tracking/IP.https://twitter.com/WolfieChristl/status/1263629657230004225 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Wolfie Christl @WolfieChristl
      Replying to @WolfieChristl @zeynep
      I don't have evidence, but I'm pretty sure FB pixel ingests the IP. In order to create household ID links and/or to feed it into their retargeting optimization algorithms (without advertisers having control over this). https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1263625251260416002 …
      8 replies 18 retweets 75 likes
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Robin Berjon

      I looked up one brand, got ad for another brand. 😀 It was a very very specific conversation, and I'm actually not in the market for coffee machines. And it was instant. Looked up, put phone down, turned on other machine, saw ad for other brandhttps://twitter.com/robinberjon/status/1263632775682437126 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Robin Berjon @robinberjon
      Replying to @robinberjon @swodinsky @zeynep
      I'm curious, did you look it up on a brand site and get an ad for another brand? Or on an ecommerce site and got an ad to buy elsewhere? Because if so that's a neat smoking gun for the harms of tracking to publishers, brands, and businesses!
      5 replies 7 retweets 39 likes
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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 21 May 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      This thread is going to turn out to be content marketing for a coffee maker, isn't it? "Somehow Facebook tracked me and showed me an ad for the irresistible, satisfying aroma of the ACME-3000"

      5:52 PM - 21 May 2020
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 May 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard

          Curses. Caught. It's my pandemic influencer gig!

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        3. David Andersen  💉 💉 🎉‏ @dave_andersen 21 May 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Pinboard

          Influenzer. Kinda catchy.

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