1. Silicon Valley libertarians are incredibly angry about this story on Google/Apple's posture on their pandemic tracing app.https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/05/15/app-apple-google-virus/ …
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Replying to @matthewstoller
Quoting a sentence like this was a mistake. The entire point of the system is that Google and Apple *do not* have the data. No one does. It is a system that makes it so that no one collect anything.pic.twitter.com/HjHpHEwfgC
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Replying to @bergmayer
Maybe not. But Google collects data for advertising purposes, and self-righteously refuses the collection of data for health surveillance purposes. I don't see any principle at work here except that public authorities shouldn't have the ability to collect data, which is dumb.
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Replying to @matthewstoller @bergmayer
Matt, I’m a fan of your work. But you’re simply not thinking these issues through (COVID surveillance, iPhone “unlocking”). Your takes are shallow and the issues are deep.
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For what it's worth I think Stoller has this right, and I am so deep on these issues I'm bottomless
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Does he have it right on the unlocking issue or am I misunderstanding his position there?
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I don't know his opinion on the unlocking issue (other than the brief mention in the tweet), I'm referring specifically to his remarks on the role of monopoly power in public health surveillance
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do you think they should use their monopoly power to surveil, or to not surveil? In the absence of affirmative public policy it’s all just private choices of monopolists
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Replying to @bergmayer @nucholab and
I don't know how to formulate a tweet-length answer to this. What it comes down to is, we have an unregulated surveillance-based economy up and running, let's not ignore its existence the one time it might prove socially useful. Relevant thing I wrote: https://idlewords.com/2019/06/the_new_wilderness.htm …
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I've read you on this stuff for years! But, it seems odd to argue 1) These private monopolists shouldn't be making these choices for us, 2) These are the choices they should make instead.
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I think in the short term we have the surveillance status quo we have, so my attitude has been to use it and make sure it turns into a regulatory discussion afterwards. I don't want them to make any choices, just make data available. I found the app-building push very frustrating
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The actual ask however has been for Apple and Google to allow significantly more tracking than happens now. (By the way I think much of the "status quo" should be illegal or at least more difficult but that's another matter.)
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