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    1. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      But fine, language is weird, it's by rule foreign, and it isn't a precise science. "I before E except after C" is a garbage rule too.

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    2. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      Notice above that I said "我的名字是Nathan" has its own "intrinsic pronunciation"? I chose those words specifically instead of "reading" because if you were instead to read them aloud (not just noting their pronunciation), you would actually say "我嘅名係Nathan" instead!

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    3. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      You deserialize the more-formal written Chinese into spoken Cantonese. On the fly. In a streaming manner. 🤯

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    4. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      Now, imagine you're reading a bedtime story to your kid. How do you teach your kid the difference between written and spoken characters when they're looking at one thing and you're saying something entirely different?

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    5. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      What if you're watching a movie with subtitles? Do you match what is being said, or what you're used to reading? Or do you mix it up and use the symmetric serialization for dialogue and written serialization for audio notes?

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    6. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      Or imagine you're a politician reading off a teleprompter to give a speech. Which serialization of spoken Cantonese would you use? Symmetric so you don't make mistakes, or the specifically more-formal, written Chinese for correctness?

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    7. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      The answer is, of course, "it depends." But more often than not you end up with the more-formal, written Chinese.

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    8. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      (Which is why the next one of you who tells me to check out subtitles as a way to learn Cantonese and/or written Chinese will henceforth be redirected to this thread.)

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    9. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      My mental model for this as a programmer is that you must read from the input stream a lookahead of N characters before you know which token you have received. I'm not a good parser, my lookahead for Cantonese is "until the end of the sentence" but I'm working on ... upgrading?

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    10. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020

      All that to say: every Chinese-reading human out there has a built-in parser and transpiler!

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Apr 2020
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      Thank goodness at least spoken Cantonese presents no difficulties!

      2:50 AM - 22 Apr 2020
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        1. Nathan Hammond 張拿敦‏ @nathanhammond 22 Apr 2020
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          Speaking of, there is a bonus homework assignment! Look up in this here dictionary (drops book on desk) a word you've just heard spoken for the first time on television. How would you imagine going about doing that?

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