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    Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 13 Apr 2020

    Pinboard Retweeted Apollo 50th

    It's weird how Apollo 13 has been remembered as a triumph of human space flight, when it is really the best argument against it. Put briefly, the problem is this: no one is willing to leave astronauts to die in space, no matter what the cost of saving them. Which is human of us!https://twitter.com/apollo_50th/status/1249897335171104770 …

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    Lovell: "Houston, we've had a problem." #Apollo13 #Apollo50
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      2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 13 Apr 2020

        But it also means that you can't rationally budget for something like a manned Mars mission, since if things go wrong, no expense would be spared to save the crew. A corollary is if the crew is lost, there would be years of investigation and safety theater, like post-Columbia

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      3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 13 Apr 2020

        A fun exercise is to re-read @andyweirauthor's magnificent book, the Martian, and keep track of all the science missions that get cancelled or co-opted in the course of saving one dude. Everyone sees it as heroic, of course. But that's like a third of the NSF budget sacrificed!

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      4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 13 Apr 2020

        Apollo 13 didn't offer any real opportunities to burn through an entire agency budget trying to save the crew. But a Mars mission, or lunar base, would be different. Those would be on the scale of years, plenty of time to cost us a fortune if anything went wrong.

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      5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 13 Apr 2020

        The good news is, no one is going anywhere in our lifetime, since the economy died. But when we eventually have a working space program again, send the robots! Let human space flight become what it is meant to be, a nostalgia engine for old men, like military history or baseball

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      2. Deirdre Connolly ¹‏ @durumcrustulum 13 Apr 2020
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        They didn't spend anything beyond what was already spent to send them to the Moon, they couldn't get to them in time. 🤔

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      3. Deirdre Connolly ¹‏ @durumcrustulum 13 Apr 2020
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        Maybe some extra staff hours on the ground?

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      2. Fred Scharmen‏ @sevensixfive 14 Apr 2020
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        Counterpoint: if Apollo 11’s Eagle hadn’t been able to take off from the Moon, all they were going to do was have Nixon give a speech. Probably an investigation after that, and then the end of crewed space flight as we know it.

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      3. Cyrs the unsinkable sea serpent‏ @errantambition 14 Apr 2020
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        True, but only because no amount of money could possibly make a difference in a mission with time scales like that. Throwing money wasn't even an option

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