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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020

      This impassioned article by @jacobinmag about how we must not sacrifice our privacy to tech companies in the current crisis is stuffed to the gills with tracking scripts by Doubleclick, Google, and Facebook. This war ended quite a while ago, comrades. Let the doctors see the datapic.twitter.com/Ei0IwdXifi

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    2. Filippo Valsorda  💉 💉‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @jacobinmag

      Alright, I'll bite. You seem to always go from "the tech to collect the data exists" to "the data is already collected", and it does not follow. A web page is an excellent example of something that does not regularly have your location data.

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    3. Filippo Valsorda  💉 💉‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @FiloSottile @Pinboard @jacobinmag

      If your argument is "we already have the tech, let's just use it to track all the data" ok, fine, I disagree but it's valid. (We have phones with GPS and Internet, that's all, if GPS is good enough.) But when you say "the data is already there" I think you're wrong.

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @FiloSottile @jacobinmag

      No, my argument is that the data is already collected by some combination of ISPs and installed apps. Along the lines of this: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html …

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    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020
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      And of course a large OS vendor and location tracker who will remain nameless.

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    6. Filippo Valsorda  💉 💉‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @jacobinmag

      I know there are some examples—I'll make it even easier, just scroll @chronic's timeline—but they are either opt-in or pushed back by the platform (e.g. iOS 13 killed a lot of background location tracking). I think the average phone is not sending off location.

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    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @FiloSottile @jacobinmag @chronic

      I would love to know what is actually out there and deployed. These location data vendors are obviously collecting a lot of it. I agree with you (or what I think you're saying) that this debate is more useful if we get to specifics and not theoretical capabilities.

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    8. Filippo Valsorda  💉 💉‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard @jacobinmag @chronic

      Indeed, and on the other hand I would be surprised if data like "coarse occasional location pings of < 3.6% of people in the US" (from the NYT article) had epidemiological value. Maybe I'm wrong! But "the data is already there" makes a dozen assumptions I'd be surprised by.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020
      Replying to @FiloSottile @jacobinmag @chronic

      This is why I want the bottom-feeders of the location tracking world to talk to the epidemiologists. People like me tweeting about it from first principles is just wankery. But there's also this weird notion that if the data isn't perfect, it's useless, which I also find unlikely

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        2. Filippo Valsorda  💉 💉‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @jacobinmag @chronic

          I mean, sure, have them talk! But I don't want them in the room if something new or expanded is built. Once you take their data it gets easy for them to argue they are best equipped to build and operate an expanded capability. Not theoretical, NSO Group is going for it.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 11 Apr 2020
          Replying to @FiloSottile @jacobinmag @chronic

          My whole stance in this debate is to not build new stuff, for this reason

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