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    Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 16 Feb 2020

    I'm curious, other than tradition (which is a good argument in politics!), what's the best argument in favor of caucuses? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaigns-warn-of-chaos-ahead-of-the-nevada-caucuses/2020/02/16/ef78ef52-50c8-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html …

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      1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 16 Feb 2020

        I'm also unclear why the Nevada people are panicking instead of using whatever system worked in 2016 (or 1960, for that matter) to tabulate the votes.

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      2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 16 Feb 2020
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        From a voting theory point of view, it allows voters to express more of a ranking of their preferences than a simple plurality ballot (though only within their precinct).

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      3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 16 Feb 2020
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        Would ranked-choice voting of the kind they use in Maine remove this advantage entirely?

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      1. bahvoom‏ @_BVM 16 Feb 2020
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        In theory they help with party building and advantage candidates with more intense support. In practice, they’re just exclusionary messes

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      1. Late Stage Capitalist‏ @sudogene 16 Feb 2020
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        Caucuses are strictly worse than ranked choice voting.

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      1. Another face in the crowd‏ @Hraedon 16 Feb 2020
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        The best argument I’ve heard is that they allow for the emergence of dark horse candidates, since having passionate, committed supporters is much more important (and theoretically valuable) in a caucus. Whether or not they actually do that is up for debate, of course.

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      2. Jake Nelson‏ @JakeNelsonMN 16 Feb 2020
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        It's basically just tradition. A ranked-choice ballot is an unambiguous improvement, a single-choice ballot problematic but still probably better Lot to say about the different values/system involved, and how people misunderstand it, but that misunderstanding is reason enough

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      3. Jake Nelson‏ @JakeNelsonMN 16 Feb 2020
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        the secret-ballot point-count system of democracy is newer than people think, and the forum/town-meeting/Thing/Moot system of it far more traditional, but people only think of the former now, so most US systems being the former crudely grafted onto the latter is a real problem

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      2. Ben Katz‏ @MeanestBossEver 16 Feb 2020
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        I've heard the argument that it encourages conversations with your neighbors (fellow caucus attendees) providing for a more informed ballot. I've never been involved in a caucus so I can't say if this is true.

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      3. Ben Katz‏ @MeanestBossEver 16 Feb 2020
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        The viral video of the homophobic caucus attendee learning that Mayor Buttigieg is gay is both evidence that "more informed" may be true and that it may not be a good thing.

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