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    1. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Pinboard

      It’s especially irritating because it’s so probably gendered; pundits have been remarking, elliptically, about similar stories about all the other frontrunners that don’t break through the news because nobody notices when a dude is nasty to staff.

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    2. Quid Pro Ho‏ @_andrewmartin_ 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @Pinboard

      I used to live in northern MN, and even the Republicans there liked her. She seems pretty viable to me, honestly. I think the answer about the extremely online crowd is that they care a lot about ideals and don't take into account that nothing is going to happen with the R senate

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    3. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard @tqbf

      I don’t think I get this. Are you saying to win the senate we should take the excellent senator who wins a purple state by huge margins… out of the senate? I don’t think this should hold Amy back, but it doesn’t seem to support your position re the “extremely online crowd”.

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    4. Quid Pro Ho‏ @_andrewmartin_ 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @djcapelis @Pinboard @tqbf

      I'm saying that the chances of winning the senate are realistically bad and bitch McConnel will still be in charge even with a D president. That's just numbers, man. I want to hear a presidential candidate talk about reality. Not fantasy. Klobbers and Biden do a pretty good job.

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    5. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard @tqbf

      Interesting. I don’t think we have much evidence to suggest that an R senate is going to get to 60 votes for even moderate proposals. I’m curious why you think Amy’s proposals are more tractable in an R senate case.

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    6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @djcapelis @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard

      The argument isn’t that Klobes is going to be a legislative dynamo. The premise is that nobody is going to get anything done in the R Senate, and so voting based on expansive ideology is a dubious plan.

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    7. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard

      That argument doesn’t seem to make any case *for* Amy? If we were assume ideology doesn’t matter, wouldn’t we only want to select someone who is stronger in general election polls and less likely to lose a senate seat? Amy doesn’t seem to have advantages there.

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    8. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @djcapelis @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard

      If you have an electability argument against Klobes, by all means, don’t vote for her. I think she’s probably the most electable candidate.

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    9. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard

      I’m not seeing that in the polling right now but general election polls are pretty useless right now so that’s not a strong signal you’re wrong. But I don’t see a strong one you’re right either?pic.twitter.com/02X5nTqDz9

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    10. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @djcapelis @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard

      An unbroken track record of winning in purple states is an indicator, and is the one Klobes advocates are relying on. Sanders has in fact never been tested the way Klobes has; he’s a socialist in Vermont. You can disagree! I’m just stating the case.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Feb 2020
      Replying to @tqbf @djcapelis @_andrewmartin_

      Klobuchar has carried Michelle Bachman's district every time. She wins in the part of Minnesota that borders Steve King's district. She carries the Iron Range. That's enough for me to be very happy on electability.

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        2. Quid Pro Ho‏ @_andrewmartin_ 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @ronmexicoisreal @Pinboard and

          Dude, if we're going to get all the people out of the race who put black people in prison, then there's no candidate. No reasons to only eliminate the women and candidates of color.

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        1. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @tqbf @_andrewmartin_

          Solid reasoning. FWIW, I am concerned by some data I see: https://www86.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/amy_klobuchar_favorableunfavorable-6767.html … Not strong evidence this early but it’s not a great starting point, either. You’re probably right she dramatically would outperform those numbers. I hope so! She’s super qualified!

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        2. Quid Pro Ho‏ @_andrewmartin_ 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @Pinboard @tqbf @djcapelis

          Speaking of Bachman . . . I wrote this almost 10 years ago. It's even more accurate these days. http://fakemichelebachmann.blogspot.com 

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        3. D J Capelis‏ @djcapelis 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @_andrewmartin_ @Pinboard @tqbf

          Haha, very Modest Proposal. I always appreciate a modern rendition.

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