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    1. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      Thanks everyone for your comments. A few notes to answer some of the questions/critiques I've received:

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    2. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      To summarize: my core argument is that Hong Kong is in decline and this is due to China's mismanagement.

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    3. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      Yes, I was exaggerating when I said that Hong Kong had declined to the level of a provincial Chinese city.

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    4. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      As I wrote (but which some people didn't read), I think it's still a thrilling city. But I also think its decline is evident. This is subjective but it's clear to many people from statistics, some of which I cited in the piece, and by walking around the place.

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    5. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      I've visited HK dozens of times since 1987 and spent months there interviewing people, so I do have a basis of comparison, even if such judgments are necessarily subjective and personal.

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    6. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      Some people want to have it both ways: to say China is ruining Hong Kong and then say it's not being ruined, that it's stronger than ever. I understand the emotional attachment to HK but I think it's necessary to have a bit of distance, even if the conclusion is harsh.

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    7. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      Some people argued that the violence is justified. My point is that it's *understandable*, hence my reference to Galtung's concept of "structural violence" being inflicted on Hong Kong.

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    8. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      But I still hold that violence is wrong. Tactically, it gives China the arguments it needs to crack down. Morally it's highly problematic when other options are available

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    9. Ian Johnson‏ @iandenisjohnson 27 Nov 2019

      The government bans large protests? What about strikes? What about defying the ban and protesting peacefully? These paths would be far more effective than throwing or turning a blind eye to Molotov cocktails.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 27 Nov 2019
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      This comes up a lot and is an interesting topic! The short answer is that there is no good mechanism for enforcing boundaries, and that the protests have put unity above tactics, so you will not find mutual criticism over tactics. Both have their roots in the failure of 2014.

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        2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 27 Nov 2019
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          Consider the constraints. Everything has to be organized anonymously and in full public view (on online forums), and any named leadership would be jailed. People *have* tried to do peaceful protests in defiance of the police, and it ends in tear gas and arrests.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 27 Nov 2019
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          I've never liked the use of petrol bombs, but if you look at how they're being used, it has been clear that they initially served the same role as barricades—to buy time for people to run away by slowing down police pursuit. That is the result of the extreme legal hazard.

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