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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      Everything is more complex than the story about it. The cold war was an improvised reaction to a transformative technological leap (nuclear weapons) and had a genuine, transnational ideological core that is simply missing from the plain vanilla great power conflict with China

      4 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    2. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      Getting that ideological core back is one reason to call it a second Cold War - the recognition that this isn't just country-vs-country, but a party that *will always feel threatened* unless it can crush its enemies globally.

      1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
    3. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @Pinboard

      John Garnaut has a good summary of the ideological side of this, which is repeated again and again in Xi-era texts - https://sinocism.com/p/engineers-of-the-soul-ideology-in?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta …

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      The difference in my perception is that there is no content for a non-Chinese audience here. Lenin, Stalin, Mao believed in world revolution. Xi's ideology as far as I can tell is not internationalist at all, but profoundly rooted in Chinese exceptionalism.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      And what we're fighting against is the attempts to use that Chinese power - mostly through local elites - to enforce that ideology globally in the ways that matter to the CCP: mostly silence. That's not *identical* to global revolution. But it's close enough for government work.

      3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    6. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @Pinboard

      This, by @bentleyballan and others provides one way to think about it - their argument is that China can’t readily provide an alternative global order because it doesn’t have an ideology that resonates with other states -https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-organization/article/distribution-of-identity-and-the-future-of-international-order-chinas-hegemonic-prospects/6B178D9A058C016F6C7A50A089AA7290 …

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    7. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @henryfarrell @Pinboard @bentleyballan

      'keep your people quiet, do as you're told, and we'll help you stay in power' *is* an ideology

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    8. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @henryfarrell @bentleyballan

      It's a one-tweet summary of human history. And old school tweet at that, the shorter kind!

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    9. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @henryfarrell @bentleyballan

      I mean, I hope that if we were to be implausibly confronted by a rising Sassanid Empire or Imperial Rome, we would also find them to be a morally abhorrent opponent that we worked to fight globally.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    10. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @Pinboard and

      maybe the ambition here is to, in fact, *be better* than the past

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @henryfarrell @bentleyballan

      This commitment to self-improvement shows that America is working its magic on you. But I'm trying to mount a defense of the cold war being something quite unique and interesting in human history, unlikely to be seen again

      3:38 PM - 22 Nov 2019
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        2. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @henryfarrell @bentleyballan

          I'm beginning to worry this was your Woodstock.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @BeijingPalmer @henryfarrell @bentleyballan

          Both sides in the argument now accusing each other of nostalgia

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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