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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      If you want that rich, genuine Cold War™ flavor, you need an opponent whose goal is for-real world domination. Does anybody seriously think this about China? That the ultimate goal is to impose Xi Jinping Thought on Uruguay?

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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      It got dialed back over time, but in the fifties you could say that international socialism was the shining future of humanity, and that communism was an achievable goal, though the road would be hard. And you could point to lots of persuasive evidence. What's the equivalent now?

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    3. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      I mean, where was the evidence for that at the peak of the Cold War in, say, 1979?

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    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      It was a much harder sell in 1979. But there was at least a coherent story of how we got there, and why the world was split into two irreconcilable camps that needed to struggle, etc. I'm asking what that compelling transnational story is for China now

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    5. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      'The right to speak and think freely is under threat by a Chinese Communist Party that wishes to crush all forms of opposition to itself, not just inside its own borders but outside.' There's your story.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      I think you misunderstood me. I mean what story does China tell about the good vs. evil divide that would be the prerequisite to a "cold war II". The Soviet story was, man everywhere is in chains and we are the first socialist state in history, join us in a struggle of liberation

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    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      You could read this in Tokyo or Lima and think, there's some solid points being made here, let's throw off the shackles of the imperialist oppressors. Are we supposed to worry that radical students in Berlin are going to crack open a tome of Xi Jinping and think, "ah-the future!"

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    8. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      No, we're supposed to worry that elites in Kazakhstan will think 'ah-hah, I don't want to give up my Chinese money' and so work to suppress NGOs advocating for Kazakhs in Chinese concentration camps. Which has already happened.

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    9. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @Pinboard

      Or that, say, an aspiring dictator in the Philippines will think 'I might need Chinese power on my side' and so undercut *his own country's* efforts to fight Chinese naval aggression. Which has already happened.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer @Pinboard

      Now, the Soviets did plenty of buying out of local elites too. But that the subversion is aimed more at the top than at the bottom is not a significant improvement.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      My point is that this is all vanilla great power politics and lacks the real interest of the cold war, where humanity could enjoy a genuine smackdown between irreconcilable, totalizing worldviews, only one of which was able to manufacture blue jeans at scale or build a microchip

      3:21 PM - 22 Nov 2019
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        1. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard

          I think you're just complaining that the music the kids listen to today isn't cool.

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