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    1. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019

      looking forward to being officially able to call it the First Cold War

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    2. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019

      Acknowledging that this is a new cold war - one started by, and ardently prosecuted by the CCP - is also the only way we start talking realistically about how we fight it and how it ends.

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    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      It's a form of the worst nostalgia politics and not a useful tool for understanding a very different geopolitical reality.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    4. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      Strongly disagree; the first cold war was much more complex, changing, and varied than we paint it as, and looking at and studying from it is extremely important. But the core problem remains.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      Everything is more complex than the story about it. The cold war was an improvised reaction to a transformative technological leap (nuclear weapons) and had a genuine, transnational ideological core that is simply missing from the plain vanilla great power conflict with China

      4 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      If you want that rich, genuine Cold War™ flavor, you need an opponent whose goal is for-real world domination. Does anybody seriously think this about China? That the ultimate goal is to impose Xi Jinping Thought on Uruguay?

      3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

      It got dialed back over time, but in the fifties you could say that international socialism was the shining future of humanity, and that communism was an achievable goal, though the road would be hard. And you could point to lots of persuasive evidence. What's the equivalent now?

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    8. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      I mean, where was the evidence for that at the peak of the Cold War in, say, 1979?

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    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      It was a much harder sell in 1979. But there was at least a coherent story of how we got there, and why the world was split into two irreconcilable camps that needed to struggle, etc. I'm asking what that compelling transnational story is for China now

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    10. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      'The right to speak and think freely is under threat by a Chinese Communist Party that wishes to crush all forms of opposition to itself, not just inside its own borders but outside.' There's your story.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
      Replying to @BeijingPalmer

      I think you misunderstood me. I mean what story does China tell about the good vs. evil divide that would be the prerequisite to a "cold war II". The Soviet story was, man everywhere is in chains and we are the first socialist state in history, join us in a struggle of liberation

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        2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @BeijingPalmer

          You could read this in Tokyo or Lima and think, there's some solid points being made here, let's throw off the shackles of the imperialist oppressors. Are we supposed to worry that radical students in Berlin are going to crack open a tome of Xi Jinping and think, "ah-the future!"

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        3. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard

          No, we're supposed to worry that elites in Kazakhstan will think 'ah-hah, I don't want to give up my Chinese money' and so work to suppress NGOs advocating for Kazakhs in Chinese concentration camps. Which has already happened.

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        2. James Palmer‏ @BeijingPalmer 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard

          'China is reclaiming its rightful place in history, and that place can only be led by the Chinese Communist Party.' That might not be a *story* that's appealing to the world, but it's one that the CCP is very ready to use its power and money to impose and maintain.

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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Nov 2019
          Replying to @BeijingPalmer

          Yeah, but that is the most boring kind of great power conflict. We've had that for centuries. A big country is flexing and wants others to accept a subordinate role; the others don't like it. That's British Empire II at the very most, lacks the punch and vim of a new Cold War.

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