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    1. J.D. Scholten‏Verified account @JDScholten 22 Oct 2019

      U.S. leads the world with 18.6 million millionaires. 💰💰💰 Despite the millions of millionaires, Americans are still working multiple jobs to put food on the table, going bankrupt from medical expenses, and spending decades paying off student loans.http://cnb.cx/35V8mQu 

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    2. Chris‏ @Walshman23 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @JDScholten @Pinboard

      Methodological note: Wealth here is defined as "the marketable value of financial assets plus non-financial assets (principally housing and land) less debts. ". Whether someone who owes $100K and lives in a house they could sell for 1.2 mil is a "millionaire" is contentious.

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    3. John Moser‏ @structuralecon 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @Walshman23 @JDScholten @Pinboard

      Imagine having no income, $100K debt, and a $1.2M house. You'd have to mortgage your house and then go bankrupt and lose it eventually, or you'd have to sell your house and eventually sell whatever smaller house you buy. Wealth is your sustainable income (standard of living).

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    4. Chris‏ @Walshman23 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @structuralecon @JDScholten @Pinboard

      I can't agree with "wealth is [...] income" under any circumstances. (I understand there's a character limit)

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    5. John Moser‏ @structuralecon 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @Walshman23 @JDScholten @Pinboard

      Income means you're producing and able to consume continuously. Assets are consumed over time. Without income, you run out. When you have a million dollars and no income, it's exactly like having $20 in the bank—just the timing is a bit different: the wall is RIGHT THERE.

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    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @structuralecon @Walshman23 @JDScholten

      Really the only definition that matters to this discussion is whether the median Iowa farmer thinks having a $1M house makes you a millionaire (note that OP is running for Congress in Iowa).

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    7. John Moser‏ @structuralecon 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @Walshman23 @JDScholten

      Yeah, JD is good too. I'm just shifting the conversation—I'm heavily policy-focused, and these kinds of distortions are important. As to farmers, they own a million dollars of farmland with a big post-frame residence and post-frame ag building—and they're poor!

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 22 Oct 2019
      Replying to @structuralecon @Walshman23 @JDScholten

      As a Silicon Valley-adjacent person, I find people are endlessly inventive about claiming they're not rich. A popular line of thinking in my world is "I make $300K/year in my software job, but the cost of living in SF/NYC is so high that I'm basically middle class"

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        1. John Moser‏ @structuralecon 22 Oct 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @Walshman23 @JDScholten

          Farmers have all this land they could sell, and then they wouldn't have farms to work. They have 8%-10% margin, at $230/acre of yearly revenue for corn-after-soy. Sometimes there's a drought or flood, or a hurricane. Sometimes they go bankrupt and sell the farm. "Rich" huh?

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        2. Chris‏ @Walshman23 22 Oct 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @structuralecon @JDScholten

          The NYT is *king* of this genre. Between the right private school, a house in the Adirondacks, 3 vacays a year, and eating out just 4x a week, it's impossible to save enough to retire if you earn only $250K.

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        3. John Moser‏ @structuralecon 22 Oct 2019
          Replying to @Walshman23 @Pinboard @JDScholten

          If you earn $250k each year, you can continue living that way indefinitely. If you have $1M and no job, no income, you can continue living that way…for 4 years. Which is wealth: $1M on hand and no income, or $250k coming in continuously?

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