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    1. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      @JennyENicholson had a funny video about "Incredibles 2", saying "villains in Brad Bird movies don't get proven wrong, they just get punched in the face". What are some examples of an alternative? IMO alternative can be dramatically stronger, if you're making fables for children.

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    2. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      The various "Jurassic" movies where the villains think they control dinosaurs but instead get eaten by them, those arguably count (even if really the lesson is "make a better cage and check the lock, what's wrong with you people").

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    3. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      "Spider-Verse" IMO is a very strong example. The Kingpin thinks he doesn't have to take, uh, responsibility for the loss of his family, he can just get new ones from another dimension, and it's shown/implied he's incorrect--if he doesn't fix himself, same thing will happen again.

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    4. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      Xenocrypt Retweeted Ste JM  🚊 🛰 🐦

      Yeah "The Dark Knight" is what made me think of it in the first place. As many have pointed out, the real climax is arguably when Tiny Lister's inmate, the kind of guy who stereotypically would prove the Joker right, instead throws out the detonator.https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1173677267966451714?s=19 …

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      Ste JM  🚊 🛰 🐦 @stejormur
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      The Dark Knight – the Joker thinks that everyone has his cynical view of society, so he expects the two evacuation boats to blow each other up
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    5. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      A lot of MCU movies, sadly, do not do this. Thanos doesn't lose in "Avengers Endgame" because he's incorrect about Malthusian genocide...and that's not even really a theme, so much as "uh we thought his comics motivation was too weird so we made something up at the last minute".

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    6. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      I guess the standard "Indiana Jones" ending of "oops this artifact I want to control is melting my face" works at least as well as the "Jurassic" examples.

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    7. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      But there's just something unsatisfying, again if you're watching this particular simple kind of story with heroes and villains and opposing worldviews, but the ending is "and then the villain got beaten up because the hero was a little better at fighting, the end".

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    8. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      Maybe the literal fables for children actually do this stuff better and don't overthink it. Hans in "Frozen" thinks "no one could ever love you, Anna", whoops. The...Jenny Slate sheep in "Zootopia", Bellwether?, thinks predators and prey are enemies, whoops, they team up instead.

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    9. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      "Crazy Rich Asians", not really the same genre, but Michelle Yeoh's Eleanor thinks Constance Wu's Rachel will be a selfish American, whoops, Rachel instead sacrifices riches and love to be true to her principles...then gets riches and love anyway...ending's a bit of a cop-out...

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    10. Xenocrypt‏ @xenocryptsite 16 Sep 2019

      (This is also why IMO it's stronger if the Death Star vent is just the kind of weakness a giant death machine might naturally have, and not something Felicity Jones' dad put in on purpose but also she had to then steal the plans over a separate long movie.)

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 16 Sep 2019
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      The thermodynamics of the death star are a disaster and ruin the movie

      2:04 PM - 16 Sep 2019
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