@JennyENicholson had a funny video about "Incredibles 2", saying "villains in Brad Bird movies don't get proven wrong, they just get punched in the face". What are some examples of an alternative? IMO alternative can be dramatically stronger, if you're making fables for children.
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The various "Jurassic" movies where the villains think they control dinosaurs but instead get eaten by them, those arguably count (even if really the lesson is "make a better cage and check the lock, what's wrong with you people").
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"Spider-Verse" IMO is a very strong example. The Kingpin thinks he doesn't have to take, uh, responsibility for the loss of his family, he can just get new ones from another dimension, and it's shown/implied he's incorrect--if he doesn't fix himself, same thing will happen again.
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Yeah "The Dark Knight" is what made me think of it in the first place. As many have pointed out, the real climax is arguably when Tiny Lister's inmate, the kind of guy who stereotypically would prove the Joker right, instead throws out the detonator.https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1173677267966451714?s=19 …
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A lot of MCU movies, sadly, do not do this. Thanos doesn't lose in "Avengers Endgame" because he's incorrect about Malthusian genocide...and that's not even really a theme, so much as "uh we thought his comics motivation was too weird so we made something up at the last minute".
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I guess the standard "Indiana Jones" ending of "oops this artifact I want to control is melting my face" works at least as well as the "Jurassic" examples.
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But there's just something unsatisfying, again if you're watching this particular simple kind of story with heroes and villains and opposing worldviews, but the ending is "and then the villain got beaten up because the hero was a little better at fighting, the end".
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Maybe the literal fables for children actually do this stuff better and don't overthink it. Hans in "Frozen" thinks "no one could ever love you, Anna", whoops. The...Jenny Slate sheep in "Zootopia", Bellwether?, thinks predators and prey are enemies, whoops, they team up instead.
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"Crazy Rich Asians", not really the same genre, but Michelle Yeoh's Eleanor thinks Constance Wu's Rachel will be a selfish American, whoops, Rachel instead sacrifices riches and love to be true to her principles...then gets riches and love anyway...ending's a bit of a cop-out...
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(This is also why IMO it's stronger if the Death Star vent is just the kind of weakness a giant death machine might naturally have, and not something Felicity Jones' dad put in on purpose but also she had to then steal the plans over a separate long movie.)
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The thermodynamics of the death star are a disaster and ruin the movie
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