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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019

      Whatever argument you make for why privacy will collapse if end-to-end encryption is banned has to address the fact that people use Gmail, Slack, Telegram, Facebook, SMS, banks, the IRS and many other non-e2e-encrypted services, and also that privacy collapsed a while ago.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019

      I want to make a great case for why E2E is essential for liberty, but a lot of existing arguments don't pass the Gmail test. Help me find better arguments!

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        1.  🌵 🐈 🕹 📺 Thomas Fuchs‏Verified account @thomasfuchs 2 Aug 2019
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          What do you mean all my Gmail email is written in a special code so I can talk shop while it appears like I’m sending “funny” powerpoints and screenshots in word documents

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        2. Chris Herbert‏ @chrisgherbert 2 Aug 2019
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          You're making a conscious (I hope!) tradeoff when you use Gmail. Saying that E2E should be legal doesn't mean that there aren't cases where it it's inappropriate.

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        3. Chris Herbert‏ @chrisgherbert 2 Aug 2019
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          SMS is a legacy system, Facebook is supposedly moving to E2E. What would E2E look like for a banking site? Doesn't the bank need to see the transfers?

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        1. daveaitel‏ @daveaitel 2 Aug 2019
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          "Banning E2E requires massive control over speech and what you can build in general. In order to even begin to enforce it you need a massive overreach of control over everything that happens on every computing device and every company's business model..." ?

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        2. Aaron Harpole‏ @harpaa01 2 Aug 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard

          Is the NSA’s program that captured basically all sent email and indexed it for searching not an adequate argument? People might feel safe using Gmail for sensitive email but as technologists we know they aren’t.

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        3. Aaron Harpole‏ @harpaa01 2 Aug 2019
          Replying to @harpaa01 @Pinboard

          If nothing else we shouldn’t need anything more than principle to assert that E2E encryption is a right. It would seem to be a 1A violation for the government to say that I cannot communicate using non-backdoored encryption.

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        1. Joe Crawford‏ @artlung 2 Aug 2019
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          Isn’t the argument internal people who get hold of data and externalize it? That when you are sending a message/transact you must trust every employee who is a custodian of each individual system to keep your secrets and history has proven such trust to be b.s.?

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        2. Dr. "Iocaine" Molitor, PhD‏ @amolitor99 2 Aug 2019
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          If everyone used E2E crypto, then the spooks would not be as easily able to tell which Es are worth hacking in to.

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        3. Dr. "Iocaine" Molitor, PhD‏ @amolitor99 2 Aug 2019
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          It sounds like a joke but that is in fact literally the best argument in favor that I am aware of.

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        2. Monk‏ @testamonk 2 Aug 2019
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          Just because a large group is using GMail doesn’t mean that everyone is. To take the GMail argument as the test negates all of the people who are already using E2E. And just because someone has decided that their email is ok as nonencrypted doesn’t mean that they aren’t...

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        3. Monk‏ @testamonk 2 Aug 2019
          Replying to @testamonk @Pinboard

          ...using encrypted IM. Personally, even if they try this, someone is going to dev E2E wow a back doe anyone. At least that’s my hope.

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