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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019

      I ask because I think the rhetoric on the "allow exceptional access to law enforcement" side of the debate is far better, and I'm curious what that nerd herd can bring to bear here rhetorically. (Remember on substance I am a true believer, don't burn me on sharpened stake etc.)

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    2. Bram De Pfizered II‏ @chton 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard

      Practical impossiblities of a backdoor aside, one of the problems is one of the primary reasons you'd want end-to-end encryption is when your government turns fascist and you want to talk without them reading it. Exactly the scenario a backdoor would make impossible.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @chton

      How is a backdoor impossible? Here's how I would do it: ban the distribution of chat apps without lawful access to law enforcement. You'd get backdoors the day after the law went into effect.

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    4. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @chton

      apps, maybe, but how do you ban *all websites* when a website could implement the same protocols? Just open a browser to bypass that law

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    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @codinghorror @chton

      It's analagous to ransomware. It's not legal, you can't make it go away by banning it, but not having it in the App Store is pretty significant

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    6. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 2 Aug 2019
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      it would be, but also remember the amount of cheese here is immense. People will go to extreme lengths to bypass any ban, and the companies would gladly facilitate, because I mean how do you ban a *website*, thepiratebay is still up

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    7. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @codinghorror @Pinboard @chton

      Thread above is mostly law enforcement talking points. The fundamental is: You do not want any technological means of interception Anywhere this isn't true is a liability. Not just because law will want access, but also insiders, hacks, ransom, accidental leaks, and ransom.

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    8. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @jhripley @codinghorror and

      The short version is of course the response to the usual law enforcement talking points which crop up every few years: "It is not possible to build a backdoor which works". E2E is people trying to avoid having a backdoor, because the presence of one is a bug, not a feature.

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    9. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @jhripley @codinghorror @chton

      Of course it's possible to build a backdoor that works. Gmail, Telegram, Slack etc. all have a mechanism for warrant access

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    10. Bram De Pfizered II‏ @chton 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @Pinboard @jhripley @codinghorror

      1) having a system for warrant access is a security hole, regardless of how well it's protected. Someone will hack it. 2) warrant access is precisely what you don't want in an E2E scenario because being able to communicate without the government reading is important.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
      Replying to @chton @jhripley @codinghorror

      1) But Gmail 2) *why* is it important, in a persuasive way?

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        2. Bram De Pfizered II‏ @chton 2 Aug 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @jhripley @codinghorror

          1) see the other tweet i just sent. 2) Because a government that is fascist, or bigotted, or for whatever reason, can use your innocent communications against you. It's like you're asking "but why wouldn't the government have cameras in every house?"

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        3. Bram De Pfizered II‏ @chton 2 Aug 2019
          Replying to @chton @Pinboard and

          For 2, imagine if you're a gay person in Saudi Arabia. You want to talk to somebody? Better never ever mention to anyone online that you're gay or you can be imprisoned and publicly killed. And that's just one example. A communication panopticon is dangerous to everbody.

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