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    Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019

    I think the most dangerous thing about the return of the encryption wars is that it conflates two things (should Officer Friendly be able to unlock your device with a warrant? Should every chat have an eavesdropping mechanism for lawful listeners?) that are extremely dissimilar

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      1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019

        AG Barr freely mixed the two in his remarks. One is a physical device that gives you retrospective visibility into a person's entire life... but you have to have the device! Another gives you prospective visibility into conversations, and there is no 'tell' if it's being used

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      1. Dan Hon‏ @hondanhon 2 Aug 2019
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        And indefinite message retention policy.

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      2. Failed Sequitur Proc‏ @FailSeqProc 2 Aug 2019
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        We don't want to presume that people are guilty. Mostly because I can't trust that the first amendment would be respected.

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      3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
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        I don't understand what you're saying about the presumption of guilt

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      2. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 2 Aug 2019
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        Sorry to be dense, but why are they dissimilar? Isn't the applied principle (mandated backdoors to serve lawful searches/intercepts) the same?

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      3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 2 Aug 2019
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        Because physical custody of the device tells you it hasn't been searched. If it is searched, you know (presumably) who searched it. Then you get a new device and are safe again. In the E2E case, you don't know whether anyone is listening, or who it is.

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      1. Kelly Clowers‏ @Kelly_Clowers 2 Aug 2019
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        they are different, but the answer is "no" either way. My computer and phone are extensions of my brain as far as I am concerned, and the 5th applies

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