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    1. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @jhripley

      You can literally just go look at the 2018 exit polls in Virginia, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, New Jersey and see how this argument falls apart. This is what people in Brooklyn and Chicago think, but it’s not what the Democratic coalition believes.

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    2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf @jhripley

      Every midterm exit poll asked how much Trump was a factor (answer: dwarfed by health care and economy) and whether we should impeach (answer: no we should not).

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    3. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf @jhripley

      Super easy for AOC to campaign for impeachment; her district loves her for that. That is NOT what Norfolk, VA believes, and keeping the D majority means not shedding the purple suburbs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf @jhripley

      What makes this so especially crazy is that — again — there is no chance of removing Trump through impeachment. You’d have to flip Cornyn and something like 8 other Senators _more conservative_ than Cornyn. It is pure performative politics, and unpopular, to boot.

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    5. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf

      Whether someone should be held accountable for their crimes should not depend on polls. It is crazy to me this is even something to debate, regardless of long term outcome. (And I agree with Matt in any case — i disagree with the analysis that it is a losing move)

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    6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @jhripley

      I understand and appreciate why people believe this, but I do not believe it in this instance. Since we can’t actually remove Trump through impeachment, primum non nocere applies.

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    7. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf @jhripley

      If you are right, by not impeaching, we lose an opportunity to show moral clarity to the electorate. If you’re wrong, we lose the House and start 2021 with a united GOP House, Senate, and White House.

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    8. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf

      I believe the future extends further than 2020.

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    9. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @jhripley

      Yes, that’s what I’m worried about as well.

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    10. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @tqbf

      I also think the stakes are higher than just the US, and if the US demonstrates to the rest of the world that a bunch of criminals are running the show, it will help mitigate the spread of these politics, and damage to other countries.

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 25 Jul 2019
      Replying to @jhripley @tqbf

      The rest of the world is busy with their own criminals running the show. The idea that the US serves as a political role model for anyone is a completely baffling piece of American exceptionalism.

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        1. John Ripley‏ @jhripley 25 Jul 2019
          Replying to @Pinboard @tqbf

          I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. The US serves as a template for standards (commerce, environmental, justice), culture (tv export), acceptable use of force (torture, war), and as an ex-pat Brit this has been the case my whole life I can remember it.

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