Do you notice that none of the examples you gave were about social ownership of the means of production? You can have a highly-taxed capitalist economy with a broad range of public services (like Denmark or Singapore). It's a great setup, in my opinion! But it's not socialism.
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Replying to @Pinboard @deadprogrammer
No…the libraries, the public schools, the NHS hospitals, the businesses and real properties in the ANF portfolio, they are all socially owned. You can sensibly look at countries and institutions as existing on a scale of socialism. It doesn't have to be so binary.
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Is the army socialist?
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Replying to @deadprogrammer @Pinboard
I suspect it’s more communist actually?… https://www.thedailybeast.com/troops-of-the-uniform-unite-the-military-is-a-socialist-paradise …
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My late grandfather would point to the 50 types of kielbasas in the case of a Russian food store in Brooklyn and say -- this is how we imagined communism. You imagine that socialism is all about free government services, and it's just not.
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No, I imagine it’s about social ownership, which can take many forms. My Hutterite ancestors fled Russia too, for some reason they still prefer to live on communes.
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So if I’d say that I am against communism you’d say what do I not like about Hutterites? Or the Amish? Or the kibbutzniks? Or the NXIVM sex cultists?
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Replying to @deadprogrammer @Pinboard
Communism isn’t really my thing. If it was, I guess I probably wd point out the communities that I think had good goals & largely achieved them in that way. For you they are absolutely not the communist thing you came from so I can understand a visceral rejection of that thinking
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The thing is. There are countries getting measurably better outcomes in many ways, provably related to policies that increase state ownership, worker power and subversion of the profit motive in whole industries. In 2019 people who push for this are calling themselves socialists.
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They aren’t calling themselves communists. They use for this, “socialist”. They don’t associate “socialist” with “gulag” any more than we associate “democracy” with “guillotine”. They’re too young for that.
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Oh you sweet, summer child. May your dreams come true, and may you one day get to live in a workers' paradise.
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I salute you as well, and also wish the workers’ paradise upon you.
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as foretold by the oracle Axl Rose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbm6GXllBiw …
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