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    1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @crzwdjk @pcwalton and

      That is true too (when we announced b2g aka FirefoxOS, ChromeOS friendlies privately mailed good wishes and lamented “we’re not allowed to do phones”; this was late July 2011).

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    3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 25 Aug 2018
      Replying to @andreasgal @crzwdjk and

      The ChromeOS friendlies said they had working phones but weren’t allowed, so yeah: management, path dependent development. Android tried to play safe with Linux + Java, but JS in V8 was getting fast even before Chrome released in fall 2008. Might ChromeOS eat Android over time?

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    4. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 25 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @andreasgal and

      I think this (about management) is also a little unfair. If I were in that position, I'd struggle to reconcile having two OSes. In 2009, deskops and phones were just different OSes. (Same w/ Windows, iOS.) In 2018, not quite. But just dropping either one on the floor seems dumb.

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    5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @andreasgal and

      No one wanted anything dropped, just faster action killing Gingerbread (whose WebKit version w/ OEM-added bugs made it the IE of the mobile web), for a start. Water way under the bridge by now.

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    6. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @andreasgal and

      I was responding to the point about internal power struggles. Would having chromeos *also* on mobile (complete with its own app ecosystem) have been better? It’s easy to see “attempts to cohere” as “power struggles,” but ultimately goog was a victim of having two successful OSes.

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    7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @andreasgal and

      Such victim! :-P No, in late July, 2011 (the date in question), ChromeOS was not yet a success. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS . The issue then, for ChromeOS, B2G at Mozilla, many, was whether the bigs would invest in Web to match native. 2 security models vs 1. Chrome in ICS, etc.

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    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @spongeclipper and

      What we got was a drawn out muddle that smelled of infighting of nonvictim super-rich. This included not just Android but GooglePlus. It was a larger-scale variant on Dart & PNACL follies. Nice work/pay for a few, net-negative effects on Web for many. Better now but at high cost!

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    9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @spongeclipper and

      At any stage, 2005 (I knew Andy from Danger, which used Gecko in cloud) to ‘08 to ‘11, bets had to be laid. No blame for picking Linux+Java in ‘05. But “rich companies can make multiple OSes” does not require that they do (cf. MSFT). B2G & ChromeOS comrades saw better bet in ‘11.

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    10. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @andreasgal and

      I've honestly lost track of what were arguing. Clearly the iOS/Android security argument is not about Java vs web. Maybe about differing business models, but isn't that about how devices (phones, laptops) are made and bought?

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 26 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @BrendanEich and

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        1. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 26 Aug 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @BrendanEich and

          So, you getting roast beef, or labor organizing of a traditionally anti-union white-collar industry?

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