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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @pcwalton and

      My point of reference is this: Windows was a horror show and very smart people argued that it was not possible to fix. Then Bill Gates said "fix it" and after much pain and gnashing of teeth, it was done. Is there a reason that a similar fatwa at Google could not succeed?

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    2. Yuze‏ @lang1z 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @BrendanEich and

      I don't think it's a fair comparison. Windows is not open source and there aren't bunch of customized Windows that are unsafe. I don't see a concrete evidence that Google's own devices being less safe than Windows.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @lang1z @BrendanEich and

      I think you're misunderstanding my analogy; I don't mean that they are similar, but that a decision at the highest levels in the early 2000's to make security a priority at Microsoft achieved the 'impossible', and that a similar decision by Google could get results today

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @lang1z and

      Also a lower bar. Msft did a ton, but it’s not like Android is using strcpy or not handling vulns. I still question if it’s a problem of priorities vs a consequence of some business decisions Andy Rubin made ten years ago.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard and

      Agree Rubin (per Google acquisition) chose low road & that means more players, lower standards, more room for errors and sloppy decisions or defaults that have inferior consequences vs. Apple. There's no way around it. High road is more secure. Why I use Apple gear, laptop+phone.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @Pinboard and

      Though, oddly, chromeos seems to make the right trade offs far better than macos. MacOS has had some dumb blunders, too, recently—organizational inertia?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard and

      Chromebooks are righteous (have not evaluated Android app runtime security). Not Android OS, so not quite on topic -- except Chromebook OEM control much tighter, more like Apple. Right?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @Pinboard and

      In the middle. Oem hardware but no oem control over software images, and tighter hardware certification reqs. Still, points to a middle path. Does android business model require oem images? If so, why?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard and

      Foistware, crapware, risk of bricked phones => OEM or Operator support burden. Lots of reasons. Google has tried to mitigate, to be sure, but extra costs are baked in the "low road" cake, I keep saying.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @Pinboard and

      What I meant was, why is chromeos able to take a different path?

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @BrendanEich and

      I think this is the right question. Why was Google able to make a very secure laptop, but not a very secure phone?

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        2. Patrick Walton‏ @pcwalton 24 Aug 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @spongeclipper and

          Android was an acquisition and was rushed to market.

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        3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
          Replying to @pcwalton @Pinboard and

          More important: different market.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @spongeclipper and

          Smartphones order of magnitude or two larger market at lower margjns => more hands in deals taking “rake”, screwing up, foisting preloads and AV kernel hacks, etc. Low road is lower and wider. Dirtier too.

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