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    1. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @pcwalton @matthew_d_green @spongeclipper

      If Google wanted to match or outdo Apple in this area, do you think they couldn't do it? They've got people working on human immortality, so the idea that a Google Pixel just can't be made safe because business model is hard for me to grasp.

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @pcwalton and

      It's within the realm of physical (vs. metaphysical ;-) action but Google chose the "low road" of OEM/ODMs they do not control tightly (as Apple does w/ its equiv), also regarding mandatory updates. Apple has higher ARPU than Android. That pays for some costs (updates, quality).

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @pcwalton and

      My point of reference is this: Windows was a horror show and very smart people argued that it was not possible to fix. Then Bill Gates said "fix it" and after much pain and gnashing of teeth, it was done. Is there a reason that a similar fatwa at Google could not succeed?

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    4. Yuze‏ @lang1z 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @BrendanEich and

      I don't think it's a fair comparison. Windows is not open source and there aren't bunch of customized Windows that are unsafe. I don't see a concrete evidence that Google's own devices being less safe than Windows.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @lang1z @BrendanEich and

      I think you're misunderstanding my analogy; I don't mean that they are similar, but that a decision at the highest levels in the early 2000's to make security a priority at Microsoft achieved the 'impossible', and that a similar decision by Google could get results today

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Billy Ray Valentine‏ @spongeclipper 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @lang1z and

      Also a lower bar. Msft did a ton, but it’s not like Android is using strcpy or not handling vulns. I still question if it’s a problem of priorities vs a consequence of some business decisions Andy Rubin made ten years ago.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @spongeclipper @Pinboard and

      Agree Rubin (per Google acquisition) chose low road & that means more players, lower standards, more room for errors and sloppy decisions or defaults that have inferior consequences vs. Apple. There's no way around it. High road is more secure. Why I use Apple gear, laptop+phone.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @spongeclipper and

      This does not excuse any particular bad default (tons of stupid Android permission blunders, documented by @__apf__ when she was grad student) or non-default design decisions. OEMs + others get blame too. But more players and lower/wider road = less security than Apple high road.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @spongeclipper and

      Gates et al. did push to fix Windows (still not fixed! Better over time). Android could do same. Will Google do it? I have no idea but am not holding my breath.

      1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
    10. David Rogers‏ @drogersuk 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @BrendanEich @spongeclipper and

      Are you seriously arguing that Google hasn't done a huge amount of work (and continues to) on Android security? This is ludicrous. It is also a failure to understand the ecosystem.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 24 Aug 2018
      Replying to @drogersuk @BrendanEich and

      No. I am saying that Google at the highest levels has not made it a goal to achieve parity with (or do better than) the iPhone on security. In particular, I am not casting aspersions on the Android team.

      4:00 PM - 24 Aug 2018
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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 24 Aug 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @drogersuk and

          (I agree with Pinboard here: Google has not made top-down all-hands-on-deck commitment. Parenthetical, as David seemed to be replying to my tweet.)

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        3. David Rogers‏ @drogersuk 24 Aug 2018
          Replying to @BrendanEich @Pinboard and

          I agree with that part but I would argue that Apple's commitment is largely for show. Google has made great efforts to support vendors despite them repeatedly failing google in return. Google also have a paradox in that they are an information company and want to grab it all.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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