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    1. Nick Gerakines‏ @ngerakines 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard

      What are the differences? Just curious.

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    2. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @ngerakines

      I don't believe that public ownership of the means of production leads to good outcomes. I like capitalism with high taxes and a big fat public sector.

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
    3. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @ngerakines

      if you take out the part where you *actively like* capitalism I don't think that's actually contrary to a DSA position -- they're not vehemently opposed to all markets. I think if you favour some form of market socialism then it's just splitting hairs

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @axfelix @ngerakines

      What kind of left would we be if we couldn't have an irreparable breach over tiny points of doctrine?

      1 reply 1 retweet 31 likes
    5. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @ngerakines

      fair, but I am highly invested in every mention of socialism in America not needing to be accompanied by a reminder that the bolsheviks were full of shit

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    6. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @axfelix @ngerakines

      I think Brezhnev era (or 1970's Britain) is the better critique of socialism. The dreariness of it, and the way it stunts human potential.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @ngerakines

      I still think you're deliberately (and perhaps understandably) choosing a negative reading of the word, which is my biggest bugbear. how about 1980s France? Mitterrand even let the communists be coalition partners and came out OK

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    8. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @axfelix @ngerakines

      It's complicated and if you start pouring beers into me, I become more nuanced. France is a fascinating place for the history of the left.

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    9. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @Pinboard @ngerakines

      you do you, just -- in my case, the DSA and the great slate are two of the (only?) US political orgs I'm actually enthusiastic about nowadays, so to come down *so strongly* on "this far and no further" seems silly

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    10. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @axfelix @Pinboard @ngerakines

      especially considering how many people in the US already think completely wrongly that supporting labour power goes hand in hand with "state ownership of the means of production" (which is more or less nonsense as articulated in 2018), and how harmful that is

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      Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 30 Jun 2018
      Replying to @axfelix @ngerakines

      Well, I'm not picking fights with anyone on the left right now. I think we have a rare chance to work together and a lot of common ground. I'm grateful for your support!

      3:23 PM - 30 Jun 2018
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        2. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @ngerakines

          and I would only ask you in exchange to not be *so* offended on an aesthetic level by some of the language used by DSA that you project positions onto them that they don't actually hold

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        3. Alex‏ @axfelix 30 Jun 2018
          Replying to @axfelix @Pinboard @ngerakines

          a huge majority of the people who are voting for the first time don't need the "I actually like capitalism" caveat as much as Poles in their forties might (speaking as someone who's married to one), and it doesn't meant they're gonna nationalize more than, say, a bank or two

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        1. Nick Gerakines‏ @ngerakines 30 Jun 2018
          Replying to @Pinboard @axfelix

          Yeah, totally. This has been really helpful. I think the amount of disagreement we have is pretty small in practical matters and things that we’d end up voting on these days.

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