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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      The very first claim in the piece - "As feminists we reject the TERF notion of a woman. That our gender and therefore our roles in society are determined by biology is a sexist idea that we have spent our lives rejecting" - shows they just don't understand basic feminist theory. https://twitter.com/glosswitch/status/999718178484834305 …

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    2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      The proper claim is that gender is a hierarchical structure/system that ascribes certain roles, etc., to men and women, where these groups are defined by their distinctive biology as that is interpreted through the lens of a patriarchal system.

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      Biology counts because in a patriarchal society it's the ordering criterion - the basis upon which the gender division is constructed (to the disadvantage of female people - i.e., women). You can't escape the effects of that ordering. It permeates our lives from the world go.

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    4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      But the theory isn't essentialist. It's the opposite. There's nothing intrinsic about female biology that prescribes certain kinds of gender roles or relations. The whole point is to bring the edifice of gender, and the hierarchies it entails, crashing down. It's gender critical.

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    5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      Now there's a lot complexity and complication in the detail. There are elements of biological essentialism in certain variants of feminism. Nevertheless, if you claim gender critical feminists think biology *determines* gender roles, etc., you have no clue what you're on about.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 May 2018
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      Yes, this is absolutely true. Although, they're probably being disingenuous about that because they know it will annoy the radfems more than anything to link their biological class with gender essentialism.

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      So much of the war between the radfems & trans activist feminists takes place in deliberate misunderstanding of the other's view You're a biological essentialist coz you see 'woman' as defined by biology You're an MRA coz you're supporting men's (trans women's) rights over womens

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 24 May 2018
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      Ironically enough, it's pretty much an action replay of the fights in the early-1980s (over pornography, for example), but the balance of forces has shifted against the radfems. (Back then the more liberal feminists felt bullied & excluded.)

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 May 2018
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          Yes! And that's still going on too. I also got involved in that which looks like: Women are exploited! Listen to women! *drags out sex worker who agrees with her* Women are in control of their own sexuality! Listen to women! *drags out sex worker who agrees with her*

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