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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 2 May 2018
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      Jeremy Stangroom Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      Sorry, but this really isn't very good. Admittedly, "postmodernism" is very difficult - perhaps impossible - to summarize, but there's a lot of conflation, misunderstanding, oversimplification, etc, here.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/991684340659707905 …

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      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      I felt the need to make this. I am meant to be working but I think that making this will save much time currently spent answering this question. pic.twitter.com/vQqyL9Hiw5
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 May 2018
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      But this isn't a summary of postmodernism. That was my point. Critics of 'Postmodernism' are really criticising a few ideas which originate from it. Or do you think they're criticising something else? I know some like to conflate it with Marxism.

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    3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 3 May 2018
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      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Having said that... Standpoint theory, for example, isn't postmodernist. It's Marxist originally. Lukacs-->Hartsock. Actually, Twitter is hopeless for this sort of thing, so I'll shut up! 😀😀😀

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 May 2018
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      Standpoint theory appears most strongly right now in feminist epistemology from the likes of Dotson and Fricker and is rooted in critical race theory and intersectionality which are figured (by Crenshaw) as linking contemporary politics with postmodern theory.

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    5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 3 May 2018
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      This really isn't the place for this conversation, but somebody like Harding, for example, explicitly contrasts standpoint theory and feminist postmodernism. Fricker explicitly rejects what she calls reductivist approaches...

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    6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 3 May 2018
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      and she sees standpoint theory as being Marxist. This is what she told me: "The idea we structure the world, but that that "we" is not unified and equal... is originally a Marxist, rather than postmodern, idea. In feminism, standpoint theory has taken this basic template...)

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    7. MacDworkin‏ @MacDworkin 8 May 2018
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      Standpoint theory is absolutely rooted in Marxism. I'm happy to scan in relevant pages from Hartsock book on the matter. It's clear.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 8 May 2018
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      Yes, that's what I was saying. It's not postmodern, it's saying that a woman's standpoint = epidemiological advantage allowing them to discern real relations/structures.

      1:42 PM - 8 May 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 May 2018
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          It really isn't the issue if standpoint theory originated with postmodernism. Clearly, it predates both PoMo and Marxism and goes back at least to Hegel. This is the epistemology used in intersectional feminism tho which is where I said it is seen most strongly.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 May 2018
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          Right now, that is. Positionality determining knowledge. I could be wrong and perhaps the Marxists are still using it as much but we don't hear much from them right now. I am talking abt postcolonial theory, queer theory, intersectionality & critical race theory.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 May 2018
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          This really is what critics of 'postmodernism' are criticising which is what my list is. There can certainly be disagreements abt whether 'postmodernism' is a useful term for this and the intellectual history of those ideas which predate postmodernism but these are the criticisms

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 May 2018
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          People really are criticising ideas of diversity & inclusion & 'identity politics' which are based on the idea that each group has its own unique perspective & knowledge & we need to stay in our lanes which go under the umbrella of 'intersectionality' which is defined as ...

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 May 2018
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          'linking politics with postmodern theory.' This can be an accurate representation of what people are criticising as 'postmodernism' (even if you don't think they should call it that) AND it can be true to say that Standpoint Theory appeared first in Marxism.

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