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    1. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @metaburbia @PhilosophyExp and

      Sorry, that’s honestly just how I speak much of the time lol; but also:pic.twitter.com/2KfznxiyL7

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    2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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      😀- I'd been wound up by some other sociologist making exactly the same claim about the word racism! 😇😇😇

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    3. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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      Don’t you think it more accurately describes the actual problem of racism by moving it away from this idea that it’s someone calling someone else a “cracker”? Of moving it see from interpersonal to structural.

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    4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @MichaelKBryden @metaburbia

      Analogously, a Marxist might be right that social class is best understood in terms of relations to means of production, but they don't get to claim people are using the term class incorrectly when they use it to distinguish between manual and non-manual labour, for example.

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    5. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @PhilosophyExp @metaburbia

      But one can claim that it IS better understood that way and the definition should reflect that.

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    6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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      Not if definition excludes things it ought not to exclude. So, for example: black power group, committed to white genocide because of inherent genetic inferiority of white race, undertakes terroristic acts of violence against whites - on your view, not racist. That's ludicrous.

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    7. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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      No, not at all? That is also a fairly absurd example, although I imagine that was your point. That's still a systematic form of racial violence, but the power element is missing as you say.

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    8. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @MichaelKBryden @metaburbia

      The structural, systemic element is missing - systematic is a red herring here. Yes, it's a reductio ad absurdum, and it works as such. Of course such a group would be correctly labelled as racist.

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    9. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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      Right, but the definition I am putting forward captures the normative and instrumental problems of racism, and refocuses the gaze where it belongs; on people and groups of power.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @MichaelKBryden @metaburbia

      Yes, that's it's advantage. But you're not merely claiming that it has an advantage. You're claiming people are making some kind of mistake if they use it in a broader way. (There are also advantages of the broader use - i.e., precisely that it doesn't negate the interpersonal).

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        2. Michael K. Bryden‏ @MichaelKBryden 13 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @metaburbia

          Well sure, let's downgrade the claim to "it's an advantage". And while those interpersonal acts may be considered through the lens of race, again I think it misses the mark on the actual problem.

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Mar 2018
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          Entirely happy with that - there are undeniably advantages in seeing racism as a structural/systemic problem. (As well as some disadvantages.)

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