That depends. If there were good anti-slave arguments in existence, then those who chose to discount those arguments were morally bad. If there were no good arguments, then they could have been simply ignorant.
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Replying to @christianjbdev
Hmmmm. Not sure - seems to suggest it is only morally bad to hold slaves if you know it's wrong (not quite what you claimed, but I think that's where your position would lead).
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Replying to @PhilosophyExp
It *is* morally bad to hold slaves, of course, but if a slave-holder has never actually encountered the reasons why it's morally bad, then can he be said to be a bad person?
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Replying to @christianjbdev @PhilosophyExp
It seems self-evident to us of course, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe people had to sit down and puzzle out why it was wrong, and it just never occurred to people before that that there might be a problem. They could have just assumed 'it's natural' or whatever.
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Replying to @christianjbdev
To say something is morally bad normally entails that a person is culpable for it, but you're arguing they are not culpable... I think that's a tricky position to hold.
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Replying to @PhilosophyExp
Am I morally bad for boiling lobsters today if in 5 years time scientists discover that they are actually in agony, and have a surprisingly advanced reflective consciousness?
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Replying to @christianjbdev
No. But not all not knowing is equal. That's the point. Not knowing isn't a sufficient condition for absolution, though it might in certain circumstances - such as your lobster example - be necessary to get you off the hook.
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Replying to @PhilosophyExp @christianjbdev
What would be the conditions for absolution?
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Replying to @glenncanon @christianjbdev
Well, if there were no way you could reasonably know - that'd get you off the hook. So not knowing and not being able to know would be sufficient for absolution, I reckon.
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Replying to @PhilosophyExp @christianjbdev
If I condemn Ancient Athenians, then I condemn myself. We still practice forms of human sacrifice thru slavery, supporting western lifestyles thru cheap labor, etc. "Ain't nobody clean. Be nice to get clean though." -- Trip in "Glory"
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Yeah, Peter Unger in his book, "Living High and Letting Die" suggest that we're much more culpable than we imagine for continuing with our affluent lifestyles in the face of massive human suffering.
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