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    1. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @PhilosophyExp and

      Ah, I may be able to help. At the purely instinctive level (sys1), any time he speaks or writes, he makes all my "do not trust a word" alarms ring. At the purely intellectual level (sys2), the opposite. I think this is common, I might be in good company. cc @BrianSaetre 1/n

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    2. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      I've started by trusting system2 (default option!). Then I've read: https://www.edge.org/conversation/steven_pinker-the-false-allure-of-group-selection … It clashes with: A: my understanding of the science (I do know something about it) B: my epistemological stance (big-time!) C: my expectations of what an honest debate should look like 2/n

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    3. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Thus, I've started paying more attention. At the same time I was becoming more aware of many things about stances of the "new atheist" area, in US specifically, with which I used to identify (in GB/IT). 3/n

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    4. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Instances of B and C (alarm bells!) became very common. Added with: D: the odd alliance/flirting with anti-Islamic and/or anti-Palestine positions. E: the teaming together of various intellectuals in that area. F: my growing understanding of how much the status quo sucks. 4/n

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    5. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Multiply the same pattern enough times, and system2 aligned more and more with system1. Now, I do introspect a lot, so I can talk about it. Many won't. But it's possible that my journey is common. 5/n

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    6. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      What changed for me are 2 things: 1. I know he uses intellectual tricks. At least on occasion, he isn't 100% intellectually honest. 2. I noticed that he never vigorously challenges the status quo, which grants him a ridiculous amount of privilege, see: https://sergiograziosi.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/naive-philosophaster-on-method-and-privilege/ … 6/n

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    7. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      Not only does he not challenge the status quo, he celebrates it (Better Angels). Citing metrics of improvement is fine but it doesn't erase growing inequality, he benefits. Doesn't make him a monster, just your average shitheel. People naturally want to maintain their advantages.

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    8. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @depistemology @GraziosiSergio and

      I guess many of us are shitheels from that perspective -- we have and enjoy fine things (good food, cars, nice toys, not to mention education, housing, and sanitation) that many around the world lack.

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    9. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @GraziosiSergio and

      I'm guilty. But I think we need to try to constantly remind ourselves of implicit bias, if we only interact with those who share those advantages we are blind to it.

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    10. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @depistemology @GraziosiSergio and

      . Living in a working-class district of a Greek city I get reminders of this everyday. Do I do enough about it? No. Given my awareness level, that probably makes me a much greater shitheel than Pinker.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @depistemology and

      Have you read Unger's Living High and Letting Die? (It's good on this stuff.)

      10:45 AM - 12 Jan 2018
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        2. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @depistemology and

          No -- I'll get a copy. Thanks for the tip.

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @keithfrankish @depistemology and

          This is my online version of perhaps its central thought experiment: http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/sedan/Default.aspx …

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        4. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @depistemology and

          Really interesting and effectively presented. I know it's not the point, but I wonder what correlation there is between what we think we should do in this or that case and what we actually would do.

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        5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @keithfrankish @depistemology and

          Thanks! Not very large, I would suspect! 🙂

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        6. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @depistemology and

          I suspect so too -- which makes me much wonder how much value there is our profession's endless analyzing and rationalizing of these intuitions :)

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        7. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @keithfrankish @depistemology and

          Well, it allows one to pull the rug out from people who believe their tribe to be largely virtuous and their opponents' tribe to be largely wicked, so that's got to be good! :)

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        8. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @depistemology and

          yes -- promoting self-awareness is perhaps the most valuable thing philosophers can do

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