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    1. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @PhilosophyExp and

      3. The discussion in question (links in next tweets): I think it was worth having it. The deliberate smearing of Pinker made it possible, perhaps it all happened because lots of people have more subtle (but substantial) criticism of Pinker to offer? (AKA an axe to grind?)

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    2. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @PhilosophyExp and

      Sergio Graziosi Retweeted Abeba Birhane

      3.1 Thread root. Even amongst very reasonable people, it can get relatively heated:https://twitter.com/Abebab/status/951051164879147008 …

      Sergio Graziosi added,

      Abeba Birhane @Abebab
      This is to all those Pinker apologists all over my TL pic.twitter.com/7eW4j6SMSo
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    3. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @PhilosophyExp and

      I don't understand why people hate Pinker so much. I've some reservations about his work, but he doesn't seem like a monster to me.

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    4. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @PhilosophyExp and

      Ah, I may be able to help. At the purely instinctive level (sys1), any time he speaks or writes, he makes all my "do not trust a word" alarms ring. At the purely intellectual level (sys2), the opposite. I think this is common, I might be in good company. cc @BrianSaetre 1/n

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    5. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      I've started by trusting system2 (default option!). Then I've read: https://www.edge.org/conversation/steven_pinker-the-false-allure-of-group-selection … It clashes with: A: my understanding of the science (I do know something about it) B: my epistemological stance (big-time!) C: my expectations of what an honest debate should look like 2/n

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    6. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      Thus, I've started paying more attention. At the same time I was becoming more aware of many things about stances of the "new atheist" area, in US specifically, with which I used to identify (in GB/IT). 3/n

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    7. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      Instances of B and C (alarm bells!) became very common. Added with: D: the odd alliance/flirting with anti-Islamic and/or anti-Palestine positions. E: the teaming together of various intellectuals in that area. F: my growing understanding of how much the status quo sucks. 4/n

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    8. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Multiply the same pattern enough times, and system2 aligned more and more with system1. Now, I do introspect a lot, so I can talk about it. Many won't. But it's possible that my journey is common. 5/n

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    9. Sergio Graziosi‏ @GraziosiSergio 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      What changed for me are 2 things: 1. I know he uses intellectual tricks. At least on occasion, he isn't 100% intellectually honest. 2. I noticed that he never vigorously challenges the status quo, which grants him a ridiculous amount of privilege, see: https://sergiograziosi.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/naive-philosophaster-on-method-and-privilege/ … 6/n

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    10. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @GraziosiSergio @keithfrankish and

      Not only does he not challenge the status quo, he celebrates it (Better Angels). Citing metrics of improvement is fine but it doesn't erase growing inequality, he benefits. Doesn't make him a monster, just your average shitheel. People naturally want to maintain their advantages.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @depistemology @GraziosiSergio and

      This is just another version of conservaties are shit people, progressives are much better people. But then I guess people naturally want to maintain their moral advantages...

      10:44 AM - 12 Jan 2018
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        2. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @GraziosiSergio and

          R F Latta Retweeted R F Latta

          I'm not making the claim that progressives are much better. This is my thread about how the far right facilitates "progressive" implicit bias thru the Overton window.https://twitter.com/depistemology/status/951793685498417152 …

          R F Latta added,

          R F Latta @depistemology
          Trump is the latest RW iteration of using the Overton window to define acceptable (white male) discourse. Overt racism is cover for "normal" whites to; Complain about PC (Pinker et al) Hold "intelligence" conf abt eugenics at UCL Apologize for pedofilia (skeptics/atheists)
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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @depistemology @GraziosiSergio and

          You could make precisely the opposite argument. The far Right discourse/action can have the effect of shifting things in the opposite direction. (Certainly happened after WW2, for example.)

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        4. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @GraziosiSergio and

          I think that it will eventually have that effect but I hope it doesn't have to entail a holocaust. And it hasn't worked that way for the past thirty years.

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        5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @depistemology @GraziosiSergio and

          Again that's not obviously true. For example, one could see Corbyn's emergence in the UK as a response to austerity, Tories and also moderate Labour Party.

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        6. R F Latta‏ @depistemology 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @PhilosophyExp @GraziosiSergio and

          Yes, and Bernie Sanders in the US. And many "progressives" in both countries consider them wild eyed radicals. It would be extremely weird and disturbing if there wasn't a backlash from the left to Trump et al. The question is who is enfranchised?

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