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    1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 11 Oct 2017
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      I'm guessing it's something like sexual harassment is a function of patriarchal society; all men benefit from patriarchy; therefore...

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    2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 11 Oct 2017
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      So it's asymmetrical advantage that means calling out harassers is not supererogatory but rather a matter of duty? Is that it?

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    3. NadjaBee Kinefile‏ @NadjaBee 13 Oct 2017
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      Notion of supererogation itself is complex; how to unpack that, in the context of yr 1st question; & what is the intent of the question?

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    4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      Thought process: I'm pretty much a recluse. Can it really be true I've a duty to call out sexual harassment just because I'm the same sex...

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    5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      as people who tend to harass (such that I'm culpable if I don't)? If it is true, what makes it true? That's it, pretty much.

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    6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      Few further half-formed thoughts about what it might mean if one were morally compelled to act simply by virtue of one's unchosen identity.

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    7. NadjaBee Kinefile‏ @NadjaBee 13 Oct 2017
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      Ah. Yr narrow interpretation of the initial claim might have led you s'where not worth arguing for. Not unusual for thought experiments 🤓.

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    8. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      Not necessarily. I'm not sure I don't have a moral duty to intervene. But whether it exists simply because I'm male is... well difficult.

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    9. NadjaBee Kinefile‏ @NadjaBee 13 Oct 2017
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      Again, I think your framing is problematic - but within that you are clearly very consistent! I'll stop now 🤓.

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    10. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      Framing - Thing is, it's a no-brainer that within institutional settings it's up to people with power - i.e., men - to shut this stuff down.

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      Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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      But it's not something I find interesting enough to comment upon, nor do I think it helps if I add my voice to those saying it.

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        2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          Justification is straightforwardly utilitarian. HW et al aren't going to stop unless those with power to stop them do something about it.

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        3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          That will normally be men, and only very rarely will it be those who are victims of harassment.

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        4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          It's also obvious if men are complicit in development of a "laddish" culture, they contribute to an environment where harassment will occur.

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        5. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          But I'm a veteran of the battles over Page 3, etc., so from my point of view, it's utterly uncontentious, & something sorted out years ago.

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        6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          Not sorted out in the socio-political sense of being "solved", but as something that might be in doubt. It's not in doubt.

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        7. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          If it's not in doubt, and if plenty of people are quite eloquently making the point, it's very unlikely I'm going to tweet about it.

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        8. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          Not keen on virtue signalling, and that's pretty much what it would amount to - I'd just be flagging up my "feminist" credentials.

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        9. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 13 Oct 2017
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          Not going to do that. I'm terribly uninterested in whether people think I have the "right" sort of political views. I really don't care! 🙂

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