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    Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 10 Oct 2015
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    Except maybe faith that there are moral facts, or natural rights, or free will; or that epiphenomenalism is false.https://twitter.com/micknugent/status/652842752376471553 …

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    Michael NugentVerified account @micknugent
    Faith is an irresponsible basis for living your own life, and an unethical basis for telling other people how to live theirs.
    1:40 PM - 10 Oct 2015
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      1. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 10 Oct 2015
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        Certain kinds of faith - the old fashioned kind, the sort that other people have - that's very bad, obviously.

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      2. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        .@PhilosophyExp Of course, the easiest way to qualify my initial suggestion would be to add "with some exceptions" :)

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      3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 10 Oct 2015
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        @micknugent I thought "irresponsible" too sweeping. But twitter hopeless for this sort of conversation. :)

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      2. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        3/5 @PhilosophyExp For example, if I believe evidence doesn’t support free will, but I act as if it exists, is that faith in free will?

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      3. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 10 Oct 2015
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        @micknugent I think it would be a neat psychological trick! "Belief" has a strange ontology.

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      1. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        5/5 @PhilosophyExp But can we support the approximate equivalent of natural rights, as being agreed evidence-based ethical rights?

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      1. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        1/5 @PhilosophyExp Good points, with some follow-up nuances. By faith I mean believing disproportionately to best available evidence.

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      2. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        2/5 @PhilosophyExp Are your exceptions necessarily examples of faith? Might they be working assumptions we need to make to function sanely?

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      3. epistememe‏ @epistememe 10 Oct 2015
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        @micknugent @PhilosophyExp Might some people need "working assumptions" (read: faith) for them to function semi-sanely.

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      1. Michael Nugent‏Verified account @micknugent 10 Oct 2015
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        4/5 @PhilosophyExp Of your exceptions, I think moral facts and natural rights are the strongest counter-arguments to my initial suggestion.

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      1. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Oct 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp @micknugent why have faith about any of these when we can know for certain? Morality was certainly evolved.

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      1. 𝓟𝓱𝓻𝓮𝓷𝓸𝓵𝓸𝓰𝓲𝓬𝓾𝓼‏ @Phrenologicus 10 Oct 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp has anyone ever said something about the possible evolutionary value of creating an illusion of conscious decision making?

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      1. Rodney Breen‏ @rodney_breen 10 Oct 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp @micknugent Isn't that a different kind of faith? Religious meaning implies assent seen as a virtue.

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      1. epistememe‏ @epistememe 10 Oct 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp That is an interesting point

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