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    Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 15 Jul 2015
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    If you punish a 94 year old for the crimes of the 21 year old version of himself, you're just punishing the wrong person.

    7:13 AM - 15 Jul 2015
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      2. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 15 Jul 2015
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        Personal identity does not endure over that span of tme. Don't believe philosophers if they start banging on about transitive identity.

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      3. John Meredith‏ @TorquilMacneil 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp And yet I feel sharply guilty for things that the 30-year-ago version of me did. Am I just being irrational?

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      4. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 15 Jul 2015
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        @TorquilMacneil Did your 30 years ago self feel sharply guilty...?

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      5. John Meredith‏ @TorquilMacneil 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp For some things yes, for other no. I find it hard to believe that that feeling is in some sense a mistake.

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      6. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 15 Jul 2015
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        @TorquilMacneil Surely you wouldn't take an absence of feelings of guilt as being a reliable indicator of absence of culpability? So...

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      7. John Meredith‏ @TorquilMacneil 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp But if the person who did those things is in no meaningful sense me, it is a 'mistake' of some sort to feel guilt, no?

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      8. Jeremy Stangroom‏ @PhilosophyExp 15 Jul 2015
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        @TorquilMacneil Yes. My point is the presence or absence of guilt is not in and of itself a reliable indicator of culpability.

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      9. John Meredith‏ @TorquilMacneil 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp I get that, but you are also claiming that future me/you is in no meaningful sense the same person as now-me/you, right?

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      1. Submarinus Sapiens‏ @SubManUSN 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp How about punishing him for his grandfather's ex post facto crimes? That seems fair, right? 😖

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      1. David Jones‏ @metaburbia 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp I've just been reading Derek Parfit as it happens. I see what you mean.

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      1. Brian Mcleish‏ @BrianMcleish 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp then who should be punished, or are you arguing for a statute of limitation on a crime?

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      1. J***s B***e‏ @don_felix 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp I agree, but where do you draw the line with that?

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      2.  ⚫️ 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚  🌏 🔥 💀‏ @Jayarava 15 Jul 2015
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        @PhilosophyExp @SynFutures It's hardly about punishment at this stage. It's sending a message to today's 21 year old soldiers.

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      3. Synthetic Future(s)‏ @SynFutures 15 Jul 2015
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        @Jayarava @PhilosophyExp #Telishment

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      4.  ⚫️ 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚  🌏 🔥 💀‏ @Jayarava 15 Jul 2015
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        @SynFutures @PhilosophyExp Are you suggesting that the man really was innocent? How long till we are no longer ourselves?

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      5.  ⚫️ 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚  🌏 🔥 💀‏ @Jayarava 15 Jul 2015
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        @SynFutures @PhilosophyExp Arguably we are never the same person from moment to moment. So I'm *never* culpable for actions by former self!

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