4chan 'starting' something (if it was really the actual start) for bad reasons doesn't mean that others can't have good reasons. #GamerGate
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@PhilosophyExp If it was co-opted by other liberals then I think I would actually! Especially if its 'real' origins were revealed later on.
@SIN_Notung That just moves the ethical issue back a stage, though - should the other liberals have got involved? It's not at all clear imo.
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@PhilosophyExp If they didn't know, then I don't think they did anything wrong. If they did, then not sure - maybe co-opting it is good? -
@PhilosophyExp Then once there's enough liberals involved (whatever 'enough' is) then IMO it's ok to join without worrying about EDL origin. -
@SIN_Notung least, it's a moral issue that has to be weighed up. It's not a fallacy to think origins can have political/moral significance. -
@PhilosophyExp It's a fallacy to say "it has origin O, therefore it's just O, and nothing else". Surely? -
@PhilosophyExp If I understand the genetic fallacy correctly, it's that the reasons for X aren't identical to the reasons for X at origin. -
@PhilosophyExp ... if the origin has some significance then that's a separate argument, but the simple genetic point fails on its own. -
@SIN_Notung Agreed. But that failure doesn't rule out supposing that origins are morally significant. -
@PhilosophyExp No - agreed. But isn't something a genetic fallacy if it fails to do that extra work but is offered claiming that it does? - 5 more replies
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